Should I Buy A Property For Kids Going To 3rd Level?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119710#Comment_120119710

I heard they relaxed the strictness of their criteria on the required level of woke. So I applaud them for that. They realised that it was discriminating against the poor students who didn't, or couldn't, understand the concept.

Woke "inception" if you will. There is nothing more woke than going full woke and realising that you now have to accept the non-woke as being woke or else you are not really woke yourself.

🤯

Count Dracula

The Lewar

And it is not my fault that half the city has standards and the other half has chosen to ignore them?

Who the phuck spends 1.5 Mill on a gaff on the nortside, that must be some sort of a joke ?

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120092#Comment_120120092

Indeed, the utterly depraved poverty, I don't know how they live.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/house-1-150-howth-road-clontarf-dublin-3/4658767

Count Dracula

The Stella is in Rathmines.

The village of the Damned.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120194#Comment_120120194

Isn't that... on the southside?

Count Dracula

It's just a nickname.

You would need to be from around the area to get it though?

Hey, Oishers, I respect you are probably a rich nortsider, but you are taking this a bit too far?

Am I cutting too close to the bone? I mean there is a reason why you seem to think that owning a redbrick is a thing? Everyone knows that prices are higher on the southside, why argue on the fact?

SwimClub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120272#Comment_120120272

Owned by Southsiders but houses a lot of Northsider refugees

John_Rambo

Drumcondra/Phibsborough areas are perfect for students. Ignore the whole "Northside Southside" stuff, it's irrelevant and harks back to the 70's. The degree of separation is East West now. Drumcondra & Phibsborough are both close to the city, well serviced by bus and importantly everything is walkable, shops, food, cheap restaurants etc…

Students don't want to be in wealthy, car dependent suburbs with expensive cafes and food shops.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120604#Comment_120120604

You need to consider that not everyone has your experience of training in the special forces.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120645#Comment_120120645

Don't push it or I'll give you a way you won't believe.

Count Dracula

Best idea I saw so far, the issue is that you are into ownership issues and when to sell etc.

But it could work given the right circumstances.

Just don't try it on the northside, bound to fail over there?

Manion

All the above trolling aside, it does occur to me that one of the reasons people look down on certain areas as not "safe" is because of the younger demographics, aka students etc. What makes an area a good place to live as a student probably is exactly what puts off people looking for a family home. A solicitor can advise on the best way to structure ownership.

Ismaithliommilseáin

A big thank to people for responding to my post and for thinking of so many different angles which I should consider. I really didn't realise that so many people on boards.ie would be so generous with their time to consider the question posed and to type up their ideas and suggestions. I enjoyed reading all the different replies and some tangents (!) and found lots of nuggets of wisdom. I am now encouraged to buy in order to have a guarantee of accommodation for my kids in the coming years. I am now particularly interested in Dundrum (and surrounding areas) and Drumcondra to leave options open for TCD, UCD and DCU. Buying a 4-bed or a 3-bed with an attic conversion would help accommodate more people so they could live with friends as well as their siblings. I will take the advice of posters and keep an eye out for a possible light dip in prices over the next few weeks and months. I will take the advice of the poster who agreed with trying to purchase but while also letting them share a room and not making it too comfortable for them! I will expect my kids to work while in college but with the current rent situation, it would be very difficult for them to earn the kind of money needed to keep them in rent, food, transport etc. while also studying. Many thanks again for your very considered response.

Manion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120122486#Comment_120122486

Just on Dundrum, its don't make any sense for the colleges you've listed. It's a lovely area and good for students and nights out in town etc, but you're talking an hours commute with multiple modes of transport each way for any of the Northcity campuses. It opens up UCD and Trinity but cuts out the rest and you'll be paying a premium. Off topic but I have to say you're very definite on a couple things such as all your kids will go to university (top ones at that) and they will all work. You never know what life will throw at you, Engineering/Science in trinity has less than 50% completion rate, in my first year (a while ago) 20% of those admitted dropped out by the second semester. Not to get too personal but I remember having the conversation about working during college with my parents and I simple told them the courses are graded on a bell curve and I'm competing against people from very affluent families and not a one of them will be doing a part time job and I'd only the four years to set myself up for success. My brother at the time kicked up a sink that I should be paying my own way, but he got to try out his approach with his own kids, both of which working part time jobs since 16 never completed college. Anyway, that's obviously not a hard and fast rule, plenty people do it just fine and I have cousin who had to work to pay for digs etc and I worked every summer it's just it's odd seeing someone so invested in giving their kids a leg up in terms of accommodation and you're obviously not short a few euro with a 60% deposit burden them if it's not needed.

As an insight, Engineering/Science in Trinity, lectures start at 9am finish at 5pm with an hours lunch and most students will then be in the library from 6-10pm and back in again on the Saturday. Some people will obviously state "that wasn't my experience" but I can tell you from about the 2nd or 3rd week in the semester the libraries where packed every evening, every library and study space. Anyway.

herbalplants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120123818#Comment_120123818

That is an excellent comment.

Avon8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118212#Comment_120118212

South side / North side is such a tired generalisation at this stage. If you want to have loose stereotypes on affluent areas, then East/West is less inaccurate than North/South these days.

Clontarf, Howth, Portmarnock and Malahide are on the north side. I won't disparage any specific areas on the south side but they should be clear enough to anyone with a quick glance at google maps

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120122486#Comment_120122486

Plenty of casual/part time work opportunities in the areas I mentioned with the amount of retail and food & beverage businesses.

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118500#Comment_120118500

I do actually agree with this, and have mentioned it many times, in fact when I lived in Clontarf I thought it was the best place I ever lived. (It was also the only place in Dublin I had my car broken into, oh and there was that time that the two guys were shot dead in their car out outside the yacht pub a two minute walk from where I lived, but anyway)

But and there is a but, the affluent east side on the Northside is a lot closer to dodgy areas than the affluent east side on the southside, and in fact you have to travel through donectough areas to get to the affluent areas north side whereas not on the south side

Hontou

I bought an apartment for my 4 offspring to go to college. I wanted an apartment, as maintenance on a property far from home is a headache. I chose Galway in an area that is walk-able to both 3rd level institutions. Veterinary, dentistry, and a few other courses are not available in Galway but I made it clear that if any of my kids wanted to do a course not available in Galway then I would find a way to pay for it. 2 are in Galway now and 1 is elsewhere but they are working part time to a level where they can support themselves - I just pay the college fees. The 4th is doing the Leaving this year. Be mindful that you cannot use the rent a room scheme as the property is not a family home but viewed as an investment property from revenues perspective. I could put it in my children's names to enable them to claim rent a room relief but have decided not to. (There are ways around this but I have looked into it and decided it is too complicated). I also don't want to rent to other students as many simply do not know how to manage a property. We use it as a holiday home during the Summer and at weekends for ourselves. Best thing I ever did. I planned and saved for it from when my children were young and took out a 50% mortgage on it which will be paid off in 8 years.

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120194#Comment_120120194

There’s also one within the Devlin in Ranelagh. Either way, it’s true to say that there is plenty of street rubbish in Rathmines/Ranelagh when compared to the leafier spots on the north side such as Iona Road or Griffith Avenue. I don’t know if more DCC people live in those areas but I can safely say that most roads in D6 have not been swept by the council in years. Not even to remove the detritus from their own tresss which they encourage the residents to sweep up.

Count Dracula

You sound like you're from Pearse St, or Ringsend ?

Would you live in Drumcondra or Dundruma ?

Honestly ?

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120117830#Comment_120117830

If you can get a 4 bedroom house for 500k in Drumcondra then yes its a great place to live. I dont think you will though, or even a three bed.

I would look in East Cabra, close to Christ the King church, lovely area and some three bedrooms.

Manion

I'm convinced people are mixing up Drumcondra and Ballybough. Drumcondra north of croke Park is a very affluent area.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120129095#Comment_120129095

Are you familiar with Dublin?

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https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/55-grace-park-road-drumcondra-dublin-9/4664650

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SwimClub

There are some pretty dodgy areas in and around Dundrum. As for the South East, walk around Killiney, Ballybrack, Sallynoggin and Dunlaoire, you'll see a wide mix of 'affluency & dodginess'. Ditto Sandycove, Irish Town, Ringsend, Ranelagh, Rathmines. I think the North city centre traditionally drove the stereotypes, some of the worst criminal gangs used to be in North side flat complexes, and you had Ballymun towers, but the criminal gangs are also based West now since the 80's.

Count Dracula

Do you think criminals should buy gaffs in Dundrum or in Drumcondra?

SwimClub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120130845#Comment_120130845

I think the General went for Ranelagh, maybe he was shot for defecting southside?

Manion

I'd forgotten I'd done this analysis based on the 2015 CSO Pulse crime stats. These are the latest granular stats publish by the CSO due to data quality issues.

I had a map view, so ignore the description. The count is the one to look at, as the total number of crimes.

Dundrum Garda station deals as much Criminality as Finglas, let that sink in. That's the objective truth, everything else is subjective.

SwimClub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120131024#Comment_120131024

You have to be careful with any stats, a big chunk of that is theft and it has one of the biggest shopping centres in Europe connected to a Luas line.

J_1980

For students (who naturally have no kids) would also consider some grand canal apartments. Due to wfh looks like some LL are selling and not too many buyers around.

Place like this is low maintenance, B energy rating and safe central area.

Plus the rental value in that area is far higher than Dundrum or Drumcondra.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/2-hanover-riverside-forbes-street-grand-canal-dock-dublin-2/4672509

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120131024#Comment_120131024

Yeah well for me that just proves my point.

It is obvious from these bar charts that northside criminals are much shrewder than southside criminals and as such there is a lateral indication of criminality within two contrasting stations. Comparatively speaking it would appear that Dundrum and Finglas are regions of parallel ilegal activity, which i conclude means that the criminals getting locked up in Dundrum are not as sophisticated as their counterparts across the city.

When did they reopen Stepaside Garda Station - that is hardly doooooping your stats a little Madame Manion?

I am from the southside I have never been arrested, is that why everyone wants to live here?

Q&A

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120131024#Comment_120131024

I love how this thread has gone all love/hate. Is It's an interesting chart. Hours of fun chucking stones across the Liffey.

Looking at the objective truth I think I'd rather be a victim of theft as opposed to "weapons". Alas there is no detailed breakdown by tank attack.

Given the thread is talking about buying property I'd be a little worried about the "property damage" numbers in Finglas Vs Dundrum.

If anyone is looking for me I'm moving to the airport... And so should the OP assuming they don't have to drive anywhere near Pearce street to get there. Those antisocial trinity students will have you for lunch.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120123818#Comment_120123818

Competing against the affluent families, as you put it, is horse ****. I encountered far more wasters in college, who were fully funded by the bank of mum and dad, than those who were contributing themselves and therefore had skin in the game and took things personally.

You learn a lot of life's skills in your college years, outside off what's thought in the lectures

Manion

Everyone has different lived experiences and it really depends on the course and university. Though you have a point that giving some one an opportunity isn't the same as them living up to that opportunity, and I knew plenty of people who repeated year after year because college was such great fun and their parents could afford it.

OEP

You really turned this thread to sh*t!

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128782#Comment_120128782

Ah c’mon you can’t compare Griffith Avenue to Rathmines or Ranelagh, for one thing it’s just a street, nothing on it, the other two are urban villages, with pubs, restaurants and all the rest so bound to be more rubbish, when there’s actual people out and about

Xidu

Makes good senses especially 4 kids.

I have 2 kids and I am Cork based. I already bought a house in Wilton in case kids both go to UCC.

herbalplants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135275#Comment_120135275

Seriously? Like yes you can't compare decent houses with period rotten to the core raising damp houses like Ranelagh. Fur and no knickers spring in my mind.

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135649#Comment_120135649

The difference is one is a street in fact the longest avenue in the northern hemisphere with a pretty busy road, not ideal for kids, with nothing around it, closest village is drumcondra, and that’s a taxi ride or a drive.

ranelagh and Rathmines are urban villages you walk out your door and you’re in the middle of the hustle and bustle, location, location, location.

I don’t have a dog in this race I’m not from Dublin I don’t even live there anymore but just pointing out the realities, that you can’t compare them.

Oh and on the decent houses thing, plenty of decent houses in tallaght, but they’re still houses in tallaght

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135275#Comment_120135275

I am speaking about the comparable residential streets in each place not the commercial streets. So for D6, such places as Ormond Road, Palmerston Road, Moyne Road etc.

The Spider

All of these are residential roads a 1.1k to ranelagh a 15 minute walk, not the same thing as Griffith avenue at all, location dictates price, even where I live there are huge detached 259 sqm houses, a five minute drive from town going for the Same prices as a semid in the town, closer you are to amenities in a ‘good’ part of town/city higher the price, regardless of build, finish etc.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120137886#Comment_120137886

Griffith Avenue is literally a 7 minute walk to Drumcondra Road upper and 22 minutes walk to if you want all the way through to the other end at Drumcondra Road lower.

You'd want to be one huge obese lad to be needing a car or a taxi to do that.

All a lovely area either way, I'd much rather live there than Rathmines.

Ranelagh would win out though!

Claw Hammer

There is no 3 or 4 bed house for 500k in any of those locations.

There are some ex Council houses around that price in nearby areas. Great care is needed going into such an area.

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120155852#Comment_120155852

So you’d rather Chelmsford Road rather than Temple Gardens? Broad generalisations can often be picked apart!

DownByTheGarden

I was reading about someone who had a rental property, which he didnt want to rent anymore, in (i cant remember the exact place but i'll say Cork city). His son got a place in college in Dublin (DCU), so that was his plan to have the son stay in his property during uni.

So he advertised a swap in UCC.

Basically he advertised that he would let someone have his house in Cork city for college if they would provide a property for his son near DCU. He matched up with someone who owned an apartment in Dublin and both their children lived in their respective properties for the duration of their college years.

If you already have a property anywhere maybe you could try that. Another option is buy a 2 bed apartment and go 2 to a room. Like most of us did in uni :)