TAMS

Stationmaster

Another starter question please - if I want to get a few bits (thinking cattle scales, creep feeder & calving gate and maybe a few other small bits) is it that I have to apply to TAMS first, then wait for approval (which is often 2 months after the scheme closes), then buy the stuff if I get approval and then submit paperwork for payment? The whole thing I'd imagine so if it works that way could take the bones of a year or a bit less?

Also, when it reopens (which I think is next week) how long does it stay open for usually?

Thanks.

Siamsa Sessions

Could be wrong but the process you describe is my understanding of it too

893bet

For equipment I have heard it can be quicker than that. Payment often in weeks after submission if required paperwork.

@wrangler

@wrangler will be impressed with the civil service sense of urgency in that timing 😄

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058278234/tams

I got paid in a milking parlour inside 28 days after fitting. 13 days after fitting on meal bin, augers and in parlour feeders and 7 working days on an automated calf feeder.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120066888#Comment_120066888

You couldn't be impressed with Civil service now with the problems in the hospitals now. People will die now because of their lackadaisical attitude.

You heard it here first

It's akin to to a sheep farmer making a balls of his lambing last year and then going in to this years lambing without making any changes.

Stationmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120067518#Comment_120067518

Were you long waiting for approval though beforehand?

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120067540#Comment_120067540

People have already died unnecessarily in hospitals due to political indifference and poor management.

And as you say, they are constantly making the same mistakes.

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120067647#Comment_120067647

Up to 3 months depending on how early you apply before the tranche closing date.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120067647#Comment_120067647

The tranches open and close in 3 month periods. The lad that applies on the first day the tranche opens will only get his approval or rejection on the same day as the lad that applied on the last day for similar applications.

The timing for approvals after the tranche closing dates varies depending on the items applied for. Simple handling items like you’re applying for would be the quickest to be approved. More complicated applications with planning, building designs and specs to be checked etc. would take longer.

dmakc

How investigative do TAMS get on receipts? Specifically, does it matter if the purchase for an item (silage slab for example) is made by the farm account or off farm personal account?

I read on some forum that they wanted evidence of money leaving a bank account, so has me worrying if things need to be done via the farm acc

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120177201#Comment_120177201

I had to print out bank statements and show where the money left my account. I’d say they don’t care what account it comes from as long as you are the named person on the bank account.

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120177830#Comment_120177830

I don't think that's correct, I've just been through the tams process and the department guy said all payments must go through the farm account

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120178812#Comment_120178812

😱 I can imagine some horror stories on this one finding out after the fact

irishguy19772

Tams available to all farmers? See equine facilities mooted for this years scheme. So hoping can do that through fathers herd number ( will be taking over in a year or 2)

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120178812#Comment_120178812

Yeah be better take it out of the farm account to be safe. Just transfer from personal account into farm one.

Don’t know why it’d be coming out of a personal account anyway.

whelan2

Is it to avoid cash in hand jobs?

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120179347#Comment_120179347

Ye for your own sake it's just easier keep everything simple and straight forward. They go through everything in a good bit of detail for a shed, from what I could see anyway. Lot of certs to be got. I was held up on mine for a good while for minor enough things,

but thankfully the money came through to the account last Friday.

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120178947#Comment_120178947

Ye my advisor had a few horror stories whether true or not I don't know.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120179357#Comment_120179357

To avoid fraud.

It's to prove the person/farm/company claiming is a genuine claimant and not just putting a claim through for someone else.

They also reserve the right to come and inspect a piece of equipment for a number of years afterwards.

Saw a lad selling a slurry tank and dribble bar with the proviso that if he needed it back in his yard for an inspection, he could get it back.

Hadn't fully drawn on his TAMS allowance and saw it as an opportunity to make a few €😀

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120179357#Comment_120179357

I doubt it because all invoices have to be shown/sent in as well. The amount of nonsense for one particular job I done was unbelievable.

At one point when I was told I was ready to be paid someone from the department came out to do a young farmer inspection. Asking when I bought cattle last, what breed of cattle we had etc.

whelan2

I can understand young farmer inspections. Plenty claiming that have never gotten their hands dirty

Packrat

Anyone know when it's opening again? - I've a few bits for doing around the place and a topper to get. Being organic is a bonus at 60%

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120179357#Comment_120179357

Probably, although that sort of thing is frowned upon now. I usually pay for those through benefit in kind, sort of a quid pro quo arrangement, the benefits of marriage I suppose...

davidk1394

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180641#Comment_120180641

Had the TAMS and young farmer inspection on the one day. Asked me everything except what I had for breakfast. There was some of the questions I even struggled with.

Tileman

Yea I had both before. In fairness it does make sense that the young farmer is being done as the inspector was telling of a good few cases of the young farmer having no involvement or authority in allot of cases. Thankfully mine was grand and no issues.

tams I had 2 inspections for a few bits of mobile equipment. Was very thorough. However 2 months later I had another one with the inspectors boss who was just auditing the inspector. Again they were both sound and no issues but if you were doing anything dodgy they would catch u out fairly quickly

mr.stonewall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120185689#Comment_120185689

Had both tams and the young farmers inspection 3 years ago. They seem to have a hit list of questions and evidence to gather Al nearly up to knowing what you had for breakfast. If you are running the business and have control of the finances it's not an issue. If the record they had some interesting stories of what they would come across.

If you are getting through farmers top up on the Sfp you are nearly guaranteed to get an inspection over the 5 years. The have to target 20% of all young farmers with an inspection annually, so it's not a matter of avoiding it,it's a matter of when

Conversations 3

Is there any advisors around the Kilkenny/Tipp area that someone could recommend?

I'm taking over fully now and am trying to get my head around the paperwork side of things, agfood site, tams, entitlements etc.

Im a bit lost at the moment and winging it.

Have young farmers for another 3 years so want to take advantage of the Tam's when I can.

Thanks

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191246#Comment_120191246

In fairness to teagasc for the basics when starting out I found them fine, they have the resources and manpower. I'm sure somebody more local might know of private advisors .quite a high profile buildings designer from Tipperary, adps.

Pinsnbushings

Has anybody done there own tams cla for equipment, I have approval for few small bits and would be handy if I could make the claim myself rather than going through the advisor is there much to it?

mr.stonewall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195037#Comment_120195037

It's really straight forward for equipment and small building jobs. Just take pics of the invoice marked as paid, put in the units that the the investment was done for, upload the safety course cert and certs of Ag training( green cert or equivalent). Small tip is to have the pictures/downloads of the done to the device you are using. Once you have it completed, it runs a validation to check before submitting

The last claim here (calf feeder), I submitted in 5 minutes on the phone

Tileman

Very easy to claim on your own. Especially for mobile equipment

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120195152#Comment_120195152

Ok, sounds like it's straight forward enough so..I have most of those bits ready to go.

893bet

If reference cost is 1000 per meter (for simplicity).

Does that mean that the department will pay 40 % of that 1000 as a maximum?

Example

5 metre dung spreader is 6000 ex vat adorn a supplier.

Dept grant then is 40% of 5000 euro reference cost (5 m x 1000 per metre) for a total grand of 2000?

dmakc

Not certain on dung spreader but in general they will pay the lesser of 40% of

the reference cost submitted [or]

the actual cost of purchase

Your purchase is above the ref cost so your understanding is correct in that you'd get 2000 off 6000 as the 1000 above ref cost is your own bearing

Stationmaster

Another quick tams query please for those in the know - what is the minimum requirement to claim for sheep and pigs please?

Also, I presume there is no way to retrospectively claim for something bought or built last year but not claimed for?!

Lastly, is the rate for female farmers without a green cert 60 or 40%?

Thanks.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120267878#Comment_120267878

I think the minimum requirement regardless of scheme across the board is 2k, and for a building / structure you need to wait for approval before purchasing, although I think I read somewhere machinery can be purchased after application date (which itself is a risk) but open to correction

dmakc

Does anyone have a file with Explanatory notes for TAMS 3's new items? I only see the reference costs - Interested to read up on the bovine fencing

sandman30

I think the application has to be for at least €2000, but the claim can be for less than this i.e. you do not have to claim for everything you apply for.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269392#Comment_120269392

How long is approval process from point of application assuming paperwork is right first time?

And I mean for approval rather than getting payment.

White Clover

Where can the entire list of equipment available under this new TAMs be seen? I had a look on Agfood but can only see the solar stuff there.

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269660#Comment_120269660

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/4255c-targeted-agricultural-modernisation-scheme-3-tams-3/

dmakc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269594#Comment_120269594

It goes in tranches and I believe the first tranche is opening sequentially from now through May and closes June 16th so it's all the same whether you apply tomorrow or June 15th

After June 16th depending what you want it could be Aug/Sept before they get it approved

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120269766#Comment_120269766

That’s painful. Especially if you were buying by equipment for use this year.

freekerry

If the reference cost of a topper is €1,479 per linear metre, how do you work out the ref cost for a 5ft topper. Does anyone know

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120273297#Comment_120273297

5 foot is 1.524 metres.

€1,479 x 1.524 = €2254.

Reference costs don’t include vat as you don’t get grant aid for the vat portion so don’t forget that when pricing them.

dar31

Is the new tranche of Tams open now, or when dose it open again.

Stationmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120273352#Comment_120273352

And you only get 40% of this figure isn't it? How much is a new topper these days!!!

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120273352#Comment_120273352

Am I right in saying that this is the first time a mower or topper qualifies for TAMS? If so, it will be interesting to see how it affects the list price of these machines.

limo_100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274039#Comment_120274039

Hi what kind of mower can be got on it as I could do with a disk mower but I can only see mulchers the tams list

Actually strike that I see now that's its only if you are in organic farming.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120274148#Comment_120274148

Could a neighbour in organics buy 2 mowers and get the grant on both then sell you one? That’s the way it should be!!