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Canada and assisted suicide for mental illness?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox

    Thanks for letting us know 👍

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    Is there a point you want to make?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon

    Right thanks for the heads up. I'm off to Canada in the morning to kill myself. I'll see you on the other side.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,218 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34

    Hardly a Current Affair.

    Have you got a point? Do you need a sponsor or something?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,415 ✭✭✭✭osarusan

    As of two weeks ago, the Canadian govt was looking to delay this.

    Starting March 2023, Canada is expected to become one of the few countries in the world to allow physician-assisted death for chronic mental disorders. But on Thursday, the justice minister, David Lametti, said the government would seek to delay the expansion of medical assistance in dying (Maid), following criticism from psychiatrists and physicians across the country. “We are listening to what we are hearing and being responsive, to make sure we move forward in a prudent way. We know we need to get this right in order to protect those who are vulnerable and also to support an individual’s autonomy and freedom of choice,” Lametti said.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon

    I don't see a problem with assisted suicide for mental illness. A lot of suicides in the world are people who have mental illnesses so a safe way to do it if you were going to anyway seems like a good option.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Jack Daw

    As I said there is always some hope with mental illness there isn't with terminal illness.It's not that controversial a view because it is 100% true.I don't think we should be allowing other people to kill someone if they have severe mental health issues .

    If people really want to die they will almost always find away to do it themselves. I have always believed the whole intention of legalizing euthanasia was to provide an option for people who are not capable of committing suicide themselves due to physical difficulties caused by their condition.I think legalizing the ability to kill physically healthy people is a dangerous path to go down.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr

    I'm a big proponent of assisted suicide for people who support and enable assisted suicide

    It's interesting that we have people in this world who would fiercly oppose capital punishment for the worse sort of bastards but will happily off someone suffering from depression.

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,239 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    Not every mental illness equates to an unsound mind.


    It's pretty much the definition of a mental illness that the person is of unsound mind.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭nothing

    A mental illness is a diagnosis of some symptoms that cause apparent dysfunction of a person in our current society. It does not necessarily follow that the person is not ever capable of having clarity of thought, rational or logical decisions for their lives.

    Or do you think that everyone with any kind of mental illness is incapable of making important decisions for their lives?

  • Registered Users Posts: 820 ✭✭✭lmao10

    A good move. The audacity of people who want to keep people who wish to die alive is pretty appalling. Usually related to belief in some religious BS. If someone wants to go, then the option should be there imo.

  • Registered Users Posts: 793 ✭✭✭DarkJager21

    And this is the slippery slope that needs to be avoided - we already have men claiming to be women. By your line of thinking, maybe we should also allow someone to diagnose as schizophrenic and they can legally be whatever personality or character they want to be that day? No meds, no treatment unless requested. Everything will be grand.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭nothing

    Um what? I never said anything about self diagnosis or removing medical professionals from the equation.

  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭dickdasr1234

    "As I said there is always some hope with mental illness"

    Tell that to the long-term psychotics who live a life of sheer terror suppressed by medication so that we can bear to be around them.

    Psychiatry is the greatest codology - they have no idea how to cure any mental illness and freely use drugs like a wet blanket on a flame. Ffs, they still advocate electric shock treatment when all else fails!

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭growleaves

    Electroconvulsive therapy/ ECT/ electroshock has been shown to be effective in some patients with Parkinson's disease in numerous trials.

    There's some evidence its useful in treating psychoticism afaik.

    Its negative depiction in pop culture like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is probably the main reason its held in such low regard.

    I am not the type to faint

    When things are odd or things are quaint

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭growleaves

    If there's a genetic component to mental illness, then this policy could be inadvertently eugenic if its a cause of sub-fertility among the mentally ill.

    If we get to the point where anyone can end their life with without any stigma then that will place the whole population under selection pressure for traits such as mental resilience and religiousness.

    I am not the type to faint

    When things are odd or things are quaint

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,797 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack

    It’s not a question of audacity, it’s a matter of ethics in law. When it comes to assisted suicide, it’s a question of whether or not it is ethical to permit anyone to take another person’s life. It’s not just about the option being there for anyone who wants to take their own life.

    Unfortunately it’s not just bordering on eugenics, it IS eugenics, because it requires a determination that the person is unfit to live in society, that they are beyond help, with the idea that in a compassionate society, human suffering can be alleviated by ending their lives.

    If a society promotes the idea that human suffering is a burden on society, that makes it less painful for people to accept that they are a burden on society and they should want to take their own life. It enables people to conclude that taking their own life is the only rational conclusion to ending both their suffering, and the suffering of others -

    A recent systematic review of the literature concluded that 19-65% of terminally ill patients felt that they were a burden to others. The 2016 Report relating to the Oregon Death with Dignity Act says that 48.9% of patients whose lives were ended under the Act cited ‘being a burden’ as one of their concerns.

  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭dickdasr1234

    Really? Some evidence 'afaik'. Who in their right mind would take ECT for Parkinson's?

    I have seen people after ECT and you wouldn't risk it on your dog!

    Unlike 90% of the half-wits on Boards, my sources are not 'pop-culture' or social media: I have had the misfortune to regularly encounter psychiatrists throughout my counselling career and the honest ones are few and far between.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,239 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    You treat it. Similar to treating diabetes or asthma.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison

    I read an article recently on Canadas MAID system - where it’s getting criticism is how often assisted suicide is being offered by medical practioners as a viable alternative to whatever challenges the patient is facing- in the article I read it was poor( as in not wealthy) disabled people who were struggling to make ends meet with no viable prospects of a better life.

    I do like the idea of assisted suicide but Canadas version seems to be one of the most liberal and least restrictive- it’s certainly a debate worth having here in Ireland