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Leo Varadkar to tackle Ireland's housing crisis 'Covid-style'



  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭ asdfg22

    He was also the minister for health and sorted that?

    The housing crisis has being talked about HERE for about 5/6 years and ignored by politicians...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,892 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    insincere kite flyer, shît stirrer and grandstanding disconnected egotist extraordinaire…

    id love if the Dublin West constituents put paid to him but I’m not sure in a four seat constituency that’s likely, yet… Joan Burton is finished .. so realistically it’s Ruth Coppinger or a new face.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,859 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack

    Can anybody explain the politics going on here?

    Sure. There’s no crisis in housing in Ireland. There would be if most people didn’t have a roof over their heads every night, but that’s simply not the case. The politics going on here is that some people are using claims of the existence of a housing crisis where they never gave a shìt before now, in order to argue against Ireland fulfilling it’s legal obligations in accordance with international human rights law to provide for refugees.

    One has nothing to do with the other. People seeking accommodation existed in Ireland long before refugees arrived here, and those people were ignored by the vast majority of people because they weren’t affected. They’re still not affected, but that has never stopped a tiny minority of people who are unaffected from trying to whip up a political movement out of nothing by way of purporting to care about people they still regard as being a drain on Irish society.

    Leo is just being Leo, he’s always been careful to sense which direction the political winds are blowing before he comes out with some of the stuff he does, like when he came out with stuff like this -

    Or this, which was just as comical -

    Leo is a politician, you’d need to be incredibly naive to believe he has any real interest in putting the welfare of other people above his own interests in maintaining his political career.

    That’s the politics which are going on here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,859 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack

    People not affected ? So that means they shouldn’t have a view or express that view ?

    No, it means people who are not affected. It doesn’t mean that anyone shouldn’t have a view or isn’t entitled to express that view. I specifically referred to the tiny minority of people who aren’t affected who express views as though they are concerned about the people who are affected, and are using said false pretences to argue against Ireland taking in refugees.

    The OP asked for an explanation of the politics going on with Leo coming out with his latest effort, and Leo recognises that the vast majority of people in Ireland while they are concerned about housing, are also concerned about providing protection for refugees. The vast majority of Irish people see these as two separate issues which aren’t in conflict with each other. It’s only a tiny number of people who are portraying both issues as though they are in conflict, in accordance with their own political views.

    People who are unaffected by these issues, which is the vast majority of people in Ireland, aren’t interested in showing Leo the door while they’re still benefiting from Irish Government policies, which most people are.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,433 ✭✭✭✭ kneemos

    Fact is we need immigration,unless you want to rely on the money tree.

    Most European countries would kill for for an increasing population.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭ mazdamiatamx5

    Yep, spot on. And anyone that speaks against it in public is called a fascist or Provo.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,433 ✭✭✭✭ kneemos

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,128 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below

    Do you understand what a border is? Croatia doesn't border Ukraine.

    Russia and Poland have taken in the most Ukrainian refugees by number.

    Moldova has taken in most Ukrainian refugees per capita.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,859 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack

    ‘Snot quite true to say that nobody wants an end to immigration, there are a tiny minority of people who do. Their limit is zero, in accordance with their terms. The vast majority of people in Ireland don’t agree with their terms, as evidenced by their poor showing in elections -

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 3,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Raichu

    And why not? If you don’t have room to go outward go upward. Plenty of cities have high rise buildings to accommodate a large population density. Dublin is a fine example of high population density but far lower actual space to build outward existing buildings to accommodate so they should absolutely be looking with a view towards high rise if and when necessary.

    I’ve heard a few arguments against them on boards to be fair, some of them being the obstructed view of the skyline. However, I’d much rather look at streets not filled with homeless people than the sky, personally.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,128 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below

    I cannot wait to see your source for your above claims.

  • Registered Users Posts: 32,636 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7

    Whose terms? Yours? or the government's? Two very different matters .

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

    It isn't really about "Leo". The personification of political choices belittles us all.

    The invisible hand of the capitalist market can never provide social justice. Especially when it comes to housing.

    But people surely know this.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭ tabby aspreme

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭ igCorcaigh

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ mulbot

    In that speech Varadker also mentioned our constitution as being a barrier to solving the housing problems. How so?.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,433 ✭✭✭✭ kneemos

    Couldn't give houses away ten or twelve years ago.

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 3,936 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Raichu

    Mate— are you trying to tell me that only poor folks are homeless in Ireland?

    Trust me, I know plenty of people, making decent/good money working that are homeless and couch surfing or sleeping in their car. Either because there’s literally just no where to rent or places that are cost €€€€€’s. More properties available = lower rents on average and fewer homeless people.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,426 ✭✭✭ Wanderer2010

    There have been more properties erected in the last 10 yrs by private investor firms, who control the housing market, than the previous 10 yrs and the rents have increased by 100%. There are not enough affordable or social housing units for the homeless to avail of since the government ceased the policy of local authorities building and maintaining such houses.