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Why are Irish not meaner?

  • 19-12-2022 5:31pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭


    Visit some of the poorest regions of Europe and you'll always discover the jokes the neighbouring countries or regions have about how mean and stingy their neighbours are.

    But, here is the interesting thing about the Irish. We've had a Great Famine. We've been colonised and certain parts of our country has very poor agricultural land.

    Now I'm sure sociology professors will say a collective history of famine and colonisation will make for some very frugal citizens

    But, as a whole, and aside from some areas of Cavan, the Irish could never be desribed as stingy.

    Explain this one?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,935 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    As was the case with the dozen plus famines in the previous century.


    As for the stoic outlook, a small highly homogeneous country, very local and intimate. Most people in the same boat and knowing it rough or hard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're a fret so you are with your ould slur on Cavan people.

    Everyone knows they are an odious dacent breed of person.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,935 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,551 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    A Cavan man would give you the shirt off his back.........


    (And only charge you double what he paid for it)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    There are plenty of stingy people in Ireland in fairness. awful trait but what can you do. nothing worse than a stingy miserable person but nothing better than someone who is decent with his/her money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Catholic country. We're big on charity. Those other stingy parts of Europe are probably protestant. Like Scotland.


    Edit - In case anyone wants to talk about the huge number of atheists in the latest census, I mean we are culturally catholic. Ingrained in the DNA. We mighnt believe in God, but we go to Mass at Xmas, get married in churches and believe in helping those who are worse off than ourselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭jetsonx



    So why are Catholics more flaithiuil with the money?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 983 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Why is meanness so annoying? I know someone who always pays her way but is mind bogglingly stingy in her own life. I don’t know why it annoys me so much when it doesn’t impact me at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭Mimon


    I would say it is something to do with the fact that we are not as removed from tribal society as most European societies. Our neighbours would have been part of out Tuath and would be treated like family. Can still see it with a lot of people in the countyside today. My father grew up in the middle of nowhere and neighbours are all like family.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yes and No , Irish people tend to be forgiving of the rogue who is casual about paying his bills as long as he’s generous in the pub at the weekend, the straight laced quiet fella who would never owe anyone a red cent can wrongly earn a reputation for “ being tight “ if he’s not much of a social drinker etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I don’t know but it’s you that’s the problem, not the frugal person of honest integrity



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,446 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    People won’t get ‘mean’ they’ll just have to start putting a greater emphasis on looking after their wellbeing and that of family and loved ones.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭jetsonx


    Brilliant.

    I'm sure people who've done Sociology P.hDs can't describe it as well as that video!

    Cheers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    I was reading recently that people whom are mistreated in their early years are more prone to kindness and generosity in later life as they know what it's like to be treated like dirt, not sure how true it is but if it is maybe its in the national psyche to spread kindness and generosity to make up for our shìtty past



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    in my experience people who have little are far more generous and less tight with money. working class people are better tippers than middle class and upper class.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    My father always said its the ones that could barely afford it would pay you first for a job, i suppose they didn't want a bill hanging over their heads



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,935 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Going to heaven, protestants and others are not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,935 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    People get obsessed with Money as well, more they have the more so.


    I do work for a man who will probably have an income of 350k this year, Money is all to him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Under Brehon Law, all households were bound to provide hospitality to even strangers. Even during the famine, when people had practically nothing, they would share what they had. This hospitality thing is built into our DNA. People outside what was the Pale would have lived by the Brehon Law up to 18th century rather than English law. Ireland's repuation as the island of a ''1000 welcomes'' comes from this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭harmless


    By built in to our DNA do you mean that generous people had an elevoritony advanrtage and this altered our genetics in just a few hundred years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah



    The Irish DNA is not purely helicoidal, it rather is shaped like an ice cream cone. This characteristic instills kindness and generosity in yhe population at large.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,348 ✭✭✭Furze99


    Neither a borrower nor a lender be.. is the phrase. There's two sides to that but if more people used that as a guide in life, we would have avoided the greed, over borrowing and defaulting that went with the Celtic Tiger. Those in favour of being flathulach with money are often the same as those who expect others to pick up the tab for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




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  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭Hyperbollix


    Catholics have a propensity to be reckless in many areas of life, money is no different. Remember during the '08 financial crisis, so many of the countries in desperate trouble were largely catholic nations, while the ones who were more fiscally prudent were protestant.

    Tbh, I think the real reason Irish people are very welcoming, generous and charitable is because there is a deep seated, generational hurt associated with the famine and everything leading up to independence and the civil war. We innately understand the brutality of the world and have an ingrained sense of the need for good works and helping others less fortunate.

    Contrast this to the US, where it's citizens have been living on a 7 decade long binge of sugar, animal fat, gas guzzlng cars and "The Murican dream"

    There is nothing to knit that society together in the way ours has been. Catholicism and poverty, a powerful combo.



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