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If you committed a serious crime would you plead guilty or not guilty?

  • 13-12-2022 2:03pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭


    You've just committed a serious crime and the Gardaí have you in for questioning.

    Would you be the type who'd try and wriggle out of it or would tell the Gardaí everything got to court, plead guilty, etc

    If you committed a serious crime would you plead guilty or not guilty? 48 votes

    I'd own up and plead guilty.
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    dinjo99pappyodanielfrecklierDunedindmc17richbomumo3Sunny Dispositionrodders999Foggy Jew[Deleted User]machasehDT2016 13 votes
    I'd do everything to get away with the crime
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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭Allinall


    I'd refuse to plead.

    The judge would then enter a "Not Guilty" plea on my behalf, so my concience would be clear, and I'd have a chance of getting away with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭PeaSea


    Too wide a question - did I think the victim deserved it, did I think I would get away with it, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Define 'serious crime'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'd do everything to get away with the crime

    It would depend on how much evidence the guards had.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd own up and plead guilty.

    Stephens day hangover type thread. Try bit harder op



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Serious assault, drug trafficking, murder, major armed robbery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I'd own up and plead guilty.

    I'd be confessing to stuff I didn't do. I break out in a sweat when I see a check point like I've a body in the boot. 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,937 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I'd do everything to get away with the crime

    Wriggle out as much as possible or leave the country



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Those attract a fairly long sentence. No point in pleading guilty unless you're fairly sure the guards will be able to pin it to you. If however the guards walk in on you with a dead body beside you and holding a bloodied knife then it's better to just own up



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Raichu


    Suppose it’s a tricky one really because unless you’re found in that situation it’s hard to know what you’d actually say.

    I think I’d plead based on the likelihood of being found guilty. If there’s no major evidence (that I know of) which gives me a chance of getting off I’d prob say not guilty but if there’s no way to turn then I would be better off pleading guilty and getting half a sentence which is how it seems to work.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    'major armed robbery'

    Define 'major', like are we talking on the massive Charlie Haughey scale, or the major but not quite massive Bertie Ahern and Ray Burke scale?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'd do everything to get away with the crime

    Given that I enjoy the presumption of innocence? Why would I plead guilty or offer an admission? It is the job of the Gardaí to gether evidence and of the DPP to present it in court and secure a conviction. Barring a guilty plea affording consideration in terms of sentencing mitigation? Theres rarely anything tangible other than a clear conscience to be gained by an admission.

    I don't know that "i'd do everything possible" to get away with it, rather I wouldn't rush into making the prosecution's case for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,499 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    as a young person….

    if the evidence is questionable, unsubstantial, weak or sparse… not guilty.

    However…if a good chance of a conviction exists, save yourself the time, money, heartache, accept your punishment and put your mind to doing the time. The judge should take the guilty plea into account.

    as an older person….

    say 52 or over… it might be appropriate to just chance it. Not going to be a walk in the park doing time at that age especially and on release into society starting again as a 60+ year old…



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,049 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    I would plead not guilty for reasons of insanity. And not judge or jury in the land could argue with that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,410 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I'd do everything to get away with the crime


    The crime is done you can't change that no matter how much you want, Trust me you don't want to go to prison ,

    Rotting away in a cell for the rest of your days won't change a thing, Plead not guilty & save any kind of a life you can & try to do some good ,



  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭BaywatchHQ


    I can't imagine ever being in that situation as I am incel hermit, crime is something normies do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 80,479 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn


    Depends, if there's clear CCTV of me committing the crime and no possible outs on it the sentence would likely be reduced with a guilty plea so in that case I'd go with that. If it was a case just based around some fella waffling in court that I told him I killed X but beyond that there was zero actual evidence I'd definitely plead not guilty and let it play out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭Mark25


    All depends on the circumstances and how strong the evidence the Guards have.

    Happened to me in real life. Not the most serious charge ever but bad enough and with my record knew I was in trouble. I had been in trouble before so I knew the score and how the Guards operated. Being honest hated what I saw on the CCTV and that influenced me. Was about 10 years ago before you had solicitors in the interview with you I didnt really have a choice and pleaded guilty. Took ages to get through court though.

    Looking back probably the right thing to do back then. Definitely was taken into account when I got sentenced with some of it suspended.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,392 ✭✭✭touts


    I'd do everything to get away with the crime

    In this country you would be better off pleading not guilty and coming across as an utter scumbag who is likely to reoffend within 30 seconds of leaving the court. That way you're sure to get off as the Justice Industry will want you free walking the streets earning them more money in fees by committing multiple crimes. If they think you are genuinely sorry and won't reoffend you are more likely to end up in jail because there is no money in it for them if they let you walk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,707 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    As in your dinner was a bit cold when you got home type of "deserved it"?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    only Thing I can say definitively is I would never make a statement to the guards about anything, you can and are always better tell you’re story in court



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭machaseh


    I'd own up and plead guilty.

    Why would I commit a crime?


    If I would ever commit a crime, which is something I'd try to avoid, then it would have probably been in self defence of a more heinous crime. For example defending myself when some k person attacked me in Ballymun, but overdoing it thereby committing a crime. Then I'd own up to it saying that I tried to defend myself but unfortunately did the k person's head in and now they are at the Mater.... I could see that happen yeah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭machaseh


    I'd own up and plead guilty.

    I remember violating the law once when a bit too tipsy, public intoxication was charged. There was nothing to admit to because I was black out drunk, eventually I got an Adult Caution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭PeaSea


    No. More of he knocked down my kid and left him in a wheelchair "deserved it". That sort of thing. Worrying that you immediately went for the home violence option though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,190 ✭✭✭✭Deja Boo


    😯 What did you do Popcorn ??? 😯



    ...forget a day in the Christmas Countdown?

    Here now, it will be okay, no one will even notice 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,707 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well the point is that "deserved it" is wholly subjective. We'll draw the line in different places, and some might agree with you whether a particular action is one side of the line vs. the other ....... but if you're establishing that thinking someone "deserved it" makes it ok, then don't be surprised is someone else has a different definition to thinking you deserve something!


    Either way, it's not really relevant to how you would plead



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I'd do everything to get away with the crime

    Exactly... It was only after he threw the plate at her that he realized that it was a salad 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    I'd ask for a tribunal, make it go on for about 8 years , something along the line of what Bertie Ahern tried or maybe Liam Lawlor.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Thirty plus years ago our law lecturer gave us a few sessions on what to do if we were being interviewed by special branch. He was a well known Republican and he was not talking about the Irish special branch;-). I’m sure many barristers who qualified in the 80s will know who I’m talking about.

    So I do exactly what he advised - say nothing at all, as he said more people are in the “joy” because they opened their mouths than because of what they did.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    Incel hermits. The new vegan


    they find a way to get their “affliction” into every conversation



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