Landlord wants to change rent payment from monthly to weekly

newmember2

I'm renting a property where the lease elapsed a couple of years ago and the landlord and I have been continuing on within the terms of the old lease on a month-by-month basis to date, with an eviction notice now served and due to be executed at the end of the current eviction ban. For some reason unknown to me the landlord wants to now start collecting the rent on a weekly rather than monthly basis. I can't see the reasoning behind this, but according to the landlord, it's to facilitate if I was to move out in the middle of a monthly rental period (whatever that means?). I'm really at a loss as to what he's at to be honest.

FishOnABike

It could work in your favour. Check the weekly ent x 52 is the same as themonthly rent x 12.

If paying monthly at the start of the month and you moved out near the start of the month would you get a rent refund for the part of the month after you move out?

If paying weekly you wouldn't be out of pocket more than a few day rent even if not refuded for the days after you move out.

Someone else might know a downside but so long as it suits you and it's paid by bank transfer and not the landlord calling around, I can't think of one offhand.

Saudades

Landlord could be trying to scam you.

Make sure it's (monthly rent X 12 months) / 52 weeks.

Landlord may try to chance monthly rent / 4 weeks. If they do this, you will be out of pocket.

The Real President Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058275300/landlord-wants-to-change-rent-payment-from-monthly-to-weekly

She wants to make sure you don't skip out on the rent and leave the place wrecked

All you have to do is pay your rent on time and respect the place

Just pay your rent in full, on time or early.

Donald Trump

Tell him to F off. He has no authority to change that unilaterally.

If he's already evicting you, I wouldn't be worried about it.

The Real President Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981648#Comment_119981648

What astonishingly terrible advice

Just pay your rent in full, on time or early, job done.

ballyharpat

Just curious, why would it bother you if they want the rent was paid weekly?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981707#Comment_119981707

The agreement is monthly.

What on earth leads you to believe he can unilaterally decide to change that?

If one party to the contract can unilaterally decide to change the payment frequency, then why can't the other? In which case the OP can change the payment frequency to yearly, or every decade, or every century....... Ya didn't think of that when you were giving your own amazing advice did ya?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981733#Comment_119981733

Would it bother you as a landlord if your tenant informed you that they would henceforth be paying the rent annually and to come back to them in 12 months for it......... "Just curious"

newmember2

It doesn't bother me in the slightest other than the fact that he insists on calling in and being paid in cash, and I was wondering was he trying to introduce a rent increase on the sly with the four weeks vs calendar month thing. I'm living here years so it's definitely not a case that the landlord is afraid I might wreck the place, they also already have a month's rent deposit in their pocket. In reality I could do as Donald suggested and say it doesn't suit me. As I said in the OP, I really cannot see any logical reasoning for it from his point of view, and yes, as I've said, I've been here years, whatever date or part of the monthly rent cycle I move out, we sort out what's owed to who - it's not exactly rocket science. I really don't know where he's going with this. He also started alluding to his daughter who is meant to be moving into the place's circumstances getting more urgent. This is nothing to do with me so not sure what he's at trying to make out it's any of my business.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981898#Comment_119981898

Annually in advance. Yes sign me up please.

The Real President Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981884#Comment_119981884

There's no agreement, it has expired as per op, only statutory protections now

I'd say every landlord everywhere would love a year - 25k, a decade - 250k or a century 2.5 million in advance

Augme

I'd say no. Also refuse to pay cash in hand. Report him to revenue as well.

893bet

Has he given you a valid eviction notice? Small of cowboy off this lad

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982138#Comment_119982138

Nope. No court would agree with you any more that it might agree, for example, that the person is not a tenant because there is no current agreement. Under the 2004 Act, unless terminated in the correct manner, the tenancy continues anyway.

As for the latter, great. You can rent out your property like I said, Rather than collecting your rent now you can come back in 12 months for the yearly rent. It was quite clear what I said.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982138#Comment_119982138

Yes. You too. As I said, you can come back in 12 months to collect the yearly rent in a lump sum together.

I hope that some of you on here get help in reading over things before you sign them................

The Real President Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981907#Comment_119981907

It's towards the end you wreck a place because this is when things sour and cause you're moving you don't care anymore, he just doesn't want this to happen, all ya gotta do is pay your rent on time in full, simples

appledrop

Under no circumstances pay the rent on weekly basis cash in hand you wouldn't know what Stoke the landlord is trying to pull.

Are you sure your eviction notice is legitimate, how long have you lived there? How much notice have you been given?

The landlord could be trying to say down the line that you haven't paid your rent if you give cash and no paper trail to follow it.

I think you should link in with RTB.

The Real President Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982205#Comment_119982205

Wrong, and good job at completely ignoring the part where I mention statutory protection, such legislation does not specify specific dates when rent is to be paid, or by what methods just that the tenant is obliged to pay their rent on time and in full even if there is some sort of disagreement

Shifting the goalposts now to in arrears won't save your geaces

The Real President Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982211#Comment_119982211

Apart from the fact rent us paid in advance, shift the goalposts there all the way down the road from reality if you want

dennis72

I had someone leave in middle of monthly period they didn't pay so had to deduct it from deposit which they asked for return 2 weeks before leaving and these where good tenants.

He is probably trying to avoid similar.

Bad attitude to lls who have been vilified by politicians media.& here

colm_mcm

If you’re paying monthly in advance, then what benefit could the landlord have by changing that to weekly?

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981884#Comment_119981884

The lease is up, when you’re renting you’re paying for a service, the service provider dictates the terms, just as if you stayed in a hotel you have to abide by the payment methods put forward by the hotel.

Caranica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982747#Comment_119982747

No, the OP has part IV rights and these do not give the landlord the right to unilaterally change the terms of the agreement.

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982770#Comment_119982770

Part 4 has nothing to do with when the rent is paid, it just means you get longer eviction notices, that’s it.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981884#Comment_119981884

Given that in general rent is paid in advance I cannot see how any of these things would benefit the OP. Are they paying in arrears?

DFB-D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982747#Comment_119982747

The lease created the tenancy, the tenancy has the same (compliant) terms as the lease and remains in force.

OP I would say a change in payment frequency has to be agreed by both parties. I wouldn't automatically assume a cash payment means tax evasion, it could be to try and keep money away from the bank as well.

But it is very inconvenient to come up with cash weekly, maybe suggest revelut and a reduction?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982249#Comment_119982249

What advantage is there to a landlord claiming a tenant hasn't paid rent?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982802#Comment_119982802

Are you seriously not able to understand the point? Which is that one party cannot unilaterally change an agreement?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982747#Comment_119982747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982775#Comment_119982775

Absolutely incorrect in this instance. Under part IV the tenancy will continue unless terminated. You have a lot to learn if you consider the relationship of landlord<-->tenant to be the same as a hotel<-->guest

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982257#Comment_119982257

Waffle

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982907#Comment_119982907

Out of curiosity maybe you'll quote or link the legislation of part 4 that directly relates to payment schedule.

Flinty997

Has anyone considered if a tenant pays on a different schedule or even constant late what can a landlord actually do about it. What protects the landlord from this.

Flinty997

Arrears or rent makes no difference in practical terms.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983046#Comment_119983046

There's nothing landlord can do about it. OP has a great negotiating position here so he should fully use it.

appledrop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982826#Comment_119982826

Not paying rent is one of few reasons landlord can use to try and end tenancy.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983041#Comment_119983041

The tenancy continues.

If the tenancy had been weekly payment, then that would continue. It was not. It was monthly. The terms do no change simply because there is an end date on a lease. Putting an "end date" on a lease does not affect statutory provisions. Surely even the most incompetent of landlords are aware of that fact by now?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983185#Comment_119983185

So that's a "no" you can't find it in the legislation.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983159#Comment_119983159

How long does that take and can it be reset and if so how many times.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983229#Comment_119983229

Who said it was there?

That was only in your imagination as you appear to think it is somehow relevant. It isn't.

The agreement is with the original tenancy. Which continues.

Deub

Having the landlord coming to my place every week to get the cash? No, thank you. I have better things to do than organising my schedule for the landlord.

walterking

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981648#Comment_119981648

Did you read past the OP headline?

Seems the OP has a good arrangement with the LL.

OP can move out at anytime - even mid month - and not have to pay for the rest of the month.

LL is probably trying to be as fair as possible and still posters like DT (who has form as an utter hater of landlords) still has an issue.

OP you seems have good relations with the LL, so why not trash it out between yourselves

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983320#Comment_119983320

The OP is not long. I suggest you try to read it again yourself.

I’m struggling to see why this doesn’t benefit the op. As rent is paid in advance, if the op moves out one week into the month paid for, he/she is going to have to rely on the LL being both willing and quick to return the rent overpaid, whereas if the op pays weekly, then he/she will be owed nothing if he/she moves out at the end of that week. Given that both agreed to rolling monthly rental, I see no reason to think there is anything underhanded about the LLs request.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983523#Comment_119983523

Because the OP mentioned they have to arrange at least one day a week to be home to hand over rent. How many texts will it take to arrange that?

Nah, stick to the previous arrangement. Ll can flip off, or make it as awkward as possible. Plus get receipts if you do go down the weekly cash route.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119981907#Comment_119981907

Just to point out also, that if the reason for your tenancy being terminated is given as the daughter needing the place, and she doesn't move in by a certain date, by law you have to be offered it back.

For example, if you learn in one year that the landlord actually just put it on airbnb, or rented it to other randomers, after you left then you can still take him to court over it. Regardless of whether you have a better or worse situation at that point.

Mrs OBumble

OP, I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face here.

Right now, on 1-January (or whatever rent day is) you have to pay for the whole month up-front.

What the LL is proposing is that on 1 -January you pay for 1 week. Seven days later, you pay for another week, etc. Basically the money stays in your hands for longer - and if you find somewhere else to move to, you can accept it immediately minimising the amount of time that you would have to pay rent in two places. YOU are the winner here.

Yes, it is a bit of a pain if he is collecting it in person. But on the other hand if you're paying cash, it's a hell of a security risk wandering around with that much cash in your pocket: he is spreading that risk for you. (Of course you should be getting receipts for the amount you pay, not matter what the frequency.)

Flinty997

Because weekly meetings in person (required for cash) are a pita.

This kinda messing isn't required for a long term tenant. Even at the end of tenancy.

herbalplants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983576#Comment_119983576

You can tell from miles away that you never Owned anything in your life.

"For example, if you learn in one year that the landlord actually just put it on airbnb, or rented it to other randomers, after you left then you can still take him to court" - You are aware courts cost money? Are you aware that solicitors cost money?

Why do you hate landlords so much?

They are a service provider.

I don't blame landlords for leaving the market. I am not a landlord!

What I am trying to say if you lose all these service providers, where are you going to live? Since you don't own anything. You do need the landlords or you will be in the hands of the vulture funds who won't be softer.

The Spider

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119982907#Comment_119982907

Yeah anyway all’s he’d have to do is ask the daughter to move in for a couple of months and then she could move out saying changed circumstances etc, especially if she was starting a new job, moving in with boyfriend, emigrating etc, list is endless she wouldn’t even have to live there just say she did.

Get a letting agency to find a new tennant so you don’t have anyone snooping around daft lash up the rent and bang who’s gonna know?

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119983614#Comment_119983614

But it doesn't have to be a security risk. He can just refuse to pay the landlord in cash and insist on another form of payment every month.

If the landlord doesn't like that, tough. There's nothing the landlord can do about it.