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Michelle Mone PPE scandal

  • 09-12-2022 5:46pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 12,048 ✭✭✭✭


    Even by Ahern/Haughey/Redmond/Dunlop standards this goes above and beyond.

    It shines a 3 watt LED on how corrupt the Tories are.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/09/revealed-the-full-inside-story-of-the-michelle-mone-ppe-scandal

    PPE Medpro and partners made as much as £100m profits on 203 m turnover

     At least £70m from PPE Medpro contracts taken offshore

     Small electronics firm behind supply of gowns for NHS

     Jet, yacht and racehorse purchased after PPE deal

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    We need to have a look here also. Lot's of companies were setup or had zero experience yet got contracts.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It shines a 3 watt LED on how corrupt the Tories are.

    No, it doesn't.

    It demonstrates, if the accusations hold up, how opportunistic a businesswoman she was at a time of national crisis.

    Taking that example to smear every single Tory MP is one gigantic leap of illogic.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have no time for Michelle Mone if she is guilty of that which is alleged.

    In the same way that if a Labour Lord were to act in the same way, it would be wrong to tar all Labour MPs as somehow corrupt.

    Corruption within politics is nothing new. And it infects all sides of the house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    First post, straight to whataboutery.

    It's the quintessential example of what the Tory party, along with conservatism are: vehicles whose sole purposes are to fund public money into private hands. A vile, corrupt, anti-democratic party that'll soon be kicked out.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭quokula


    This is not really not a comparable situation, if you look at more reputable sources than articles based off twitter threads.

    This company reportedly did go through the proper procurement process, and the HSE did highlight during the process that there were significant risks but given the crisis at the time it was worth going forward, as this was one of a number of contracts going through in parallel to try to get the desperately required equipment ASAP.

    Ventilators were delivered but were not up to the required standard. The HSE have since received a partial refund and continue to be in dispute with the company. There is zero indication that the HSE were not acting in good faith or that there was anyone connected to the company in government. The 14 million (a chunk of which has since been returned) is also a pretty tiny drop in the ocean compared to the billions the Tories put into their cronies' pockets during the pandemic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭TipsyMcStagge


    Those same excuses could easily be applied to Mone and the company she lobbied for desperately needed equipment etc and they did deliver gowns and masks which were deemed to be substandard. There's also the issue of Jennifer Carroll MacNeills family company getting a 3.2 million HSE contract.

    The Tories blatant corruption is on a different scale but it doesn't mean we should pretend that all is squeaky clean here. There were many a cronies pockets filled here as well.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have you read the national audit office review of PPE procurement, or rely on the Guardian for all your political opinions?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    how do you know they completely bypassed any and all standard procurement practice (any more than pretty much every PPE purchase at the time bypassed usual standards)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Jennifer Carroll McNeill connection is a complete red herring to be honest.

    What should be looked at is the additional millions spent with Rigney Dolphin and awarded without any form of transparency from the HSE.

    Rigney Dolphin of course, are owned by former chairman of the HSE, Frank Dolphin

    Incidentally, a lot of this stuff that was deemed sub standard, wasn't actually sub standard, it had been ordered to the wrong spec. There a guy called Pete Smith who is pretty good at giving an impassioned overview of a lot of this and is very much an expert on the matter.

    the NAO review is a good read as well, in the words of Steven Donnelly, it was like a "war zone" and people were clamoring for PPE and ventilators and there were unscrupulous middlemen making huge profits. The Michelle Mone one is fairly small fry compared to some, but they can't be linked to any political parties, so no one cares



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Ventilators were purchased from China by a Middle Eastern based events management Roqu Media International company for the HSE.

    They never went into service because AFAIK they were dangerous.

    14.1 million wasted.

    Now who thought it was a good idea to use an events management company with absolutely no track record in the industry to source highly technical medical equipment?

    And why have those responsible for such a decision never been brought to book for it?

    And who exactly is Westmeath native Robert Quirke owner of said company?

    I wonder I wonder who he is mates with.🙄



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    All that says is that there was no political involvement in the decision.

    BTW you do know you can have bribery and corruption without the involvement of politicians.

    It does not give any reason why a company with no track record, no qualified personnel was contracted to procure highly technical pieces of medical equipment from an unproven source.

    It is just waffle about lack of supplies.

    Does that mean you look around and say look there is an events management company who can supply us with kit we know nothing about. Yeah lets appoint them and give them a 14million contract.

    It still doesn't explain who approved this supplier, who signed off on the amount and what if any due diligence was carried out on the supplier and the equipment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Was there not some issue with hand sanitizer too for schools. Cant rem what company.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I inferred from your comment that there may have been some kind of political invoilvement, possibly a TD recently in the news.

    "And who exactly is Westmeath native Robert Quirke owner of said company?

    I wonder I wonder who he is mates with.🙄"




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I actually heard George the penguin Mitchell invested heavily in Ppe years ago just as laundering exercise, guess he struck gold accidentally 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    The relevant ministers would know what contracts are being given would they not ? Or we suggesting it's just Civil servants writing this off.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    One would like to think that any large departmental spend is run past the minister responsible before being signed off fully



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    So either not happening or it was signed off on Which is it ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    One would like to think so - however the department of health is a law unto itself



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Not not thinking of any politician, but HSE/Dept of Health.

    Remember scandal about a medical supplier and the kick backs they were giving out to purchasing depts.

    Due to covid lots of stuff could have been pushed through quickly without ever reaching minister or dept of health.

    But someone somewhere signed off on this even though it looked dodgy as sh** from the off.

    It would be like Dublin bus needing new buses in a rush and some lad in there doing a deal with a lad that had a company running company days out to provide buses from some unknown company in China.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Andrea B.


    That annoyed me at the time.

    That needs further looking in to as to why my tax money was thrown at that lad.

    Wonder who got the storage or disposal contract.

    Stinks



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,787 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They've knocked it out of the park again. The Led by Donkeys team do amazing work.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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