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Taiwan now requires e-bike users to have number plates & insurance.

  • 02-12-2022 12:16pm
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    Interesting article from Taiwan. Users of e-bikes formally called "mini electric two-wheel vehicles" are required to register their vehicle, have a number plate and have insurance going forward. Existing owners have 2 years to comply with the new regulations. High time such regs were introduced here. The amount of these bloody things whizzing around, on footpaths etc is amazing, not to mention the added danger of many of them not being lit during twilight and darkness. Having a reg plate would also contribute to traceability if they were involved in an accident and then proceeded to scarper after the event.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    Those look like electric scooters, not e-bikes that we have here (which are limited to 30km/hr, which is slower than my average speeds when I cycled regularly



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    The fury you will draw down upon yourself with this thread doesn't bear thinking about OP.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It is not mentioned in the article but I presume that it refers to electric bikes that are capable of running under their own power and electric bikes capable of speeds over 25km/h.

    Ebikes that one must pedal in order to move and have their power assistance limited to 25km/h are fine and like @c.p.w.g.w says, they are slower than anyone capable of using a normal road bike.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    Yeah, picture could be a bit misleading alright. I’d still support such regs being introduced here though for accountability reasons alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭mgray


    Thanks for the update op, I'll remember this the next time I'm commuting to Taiwan..



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    @17-pdr: Yeah, picture could be a bit misleading alright. I’d still support such regs being introduced here though for accountability reasons alone.

    I could ask accountability for what but I think it would be best not to!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    After an accident and the e-bike owner is shown to be at fault and proceeds to do a runner? Handy if they had a reg plate to spot.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I've some hang sangies & a flask to sustain me.........



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,441 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's only cars that kill and maim people, bikes don't whether electric or not. That's why they don't need registration, it would be like having people who go for a jog to require reg plates in case they knock someone over.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,859 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    couple of weird clauses in there;

    "For migrant workers applying for mini electric two-wheel vehicle license plates, in addition to the above-mentioned requirements, they need to provide a consent letter from their employer"

    there's also some comment here that the regulation will probably be difficult or unworkable:




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Somebody on an E-bike can’t cause serious injury, such as to a pedestrian? Sorry, I disagree. Plus what about if you’re in your car stationary in a line of traffic, and somebody on one of these things clips your wing mirror and damages it? Who pays? Everybody using the road should be held accountable for their actions and if that means registration etc for e-bike users then let it happen.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    "Somebody on an E-bike can’t cause serious injury, such as to a pedestrian?"

    Somebody jogging down the footpath might accidentally bump into an old lady and she falls and breaks her hips.

    So should we start tattooing a license plate on the forehead of every person?

    "Plus what about if you’re in your car stationary in a line of traffic, and somebody on one of these things clips your wing mirror and damages it? Who pays?"

    Your insurance pays for it, no different then if someone clips your mirror when parked and you didn't see it happen. Or if an uninsured driver hits you, etc.

    License plates are no guarantee as it is, even between cars.

    I'd of course fully support license and registration for large scooters like shown in the above article. But it is a completely moronic idea to applied to pedal assist bikes, etc.

    The resaon it would be so stupid, is the cost of admining, registration and license for such vehicles would FAR outwiegh the cost of the relatively tiny amount of damage they might do, compared to cars, etc.

    Such costs would just make transport even more expensive for the lowest earning folks in our society, while discouraging people from a healthy and environmentally friendly form of transport.

    It is just such an incredibly stupid idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,609 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Those electric scooters in the pic already require licenses and plates. Stupid choice for the article.


    This new regulation is for all kinds of electric bikes. So yeah it could be very applicable to Ireland.


    Currently Dublin is a mess with delivery drivers with no license whizzing around aswell as commuters and teens, no insurance. Those ebikes and escooters can reach high speeds in Ireland, all over the footpaths and roads. Its dangerous. They get away with bad behaviour because they are anonymous.


    Its not a moronic idea at all. It would cut down on the complete chaos especially the delivery riders antics , provide compensation from accidents and also reduce bike theft!


    You can't leave an ebike outside in most places because it would be nicked. If all ebikes had a chain of ownership then stolen ebikes market would be less of a problem.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,859 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Those ebikes and escooters can reach high speeds in Ireland

    e-bikes are limited to 25km/h pedal assist, and e-scooters will also be. legally, what you are talking about are mopeds; and the users are breaking the law anyway.

    one of the main issues with the delivery crowds is that they operate as sole traders, so the likes of deliveroo et al take no liability for any damage they might do, or any harm which comes to them; and that's a big issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Legal schmegle, there's 100's of Scooter riders and Deliveroo bikers etc. whizzing around at 30 to 50kph+ every day on the streets, if they had to be registered then it would take a lot of the home conversion bikes and illegal high speed scooters off the streets...


    However this won't happen here, the cost of bringing in that scheme would mean it just won't fly.. I mean there's already 170,000+ drivers on our roads who have no motor insurance, and probably more a few thousand of those on their 50th provisional licence...

    So this debate isn't really worth having..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    “Somebody jogging down the footpath might accidentally bump into an old lady and she falls and breaks her hips. So should we start tattooing a license plate on the forehead of every person.”

    Hit by a jogger going at 8 to 10 kmh or hit by someone on an e-bike or an e-scooter (which are an unyielding metal object compared to human physiology) doing 25 kmh. Which scenario would you prefer? Ebikes/scooters use the road (unlike people). Because they use the road, shouldn’t they be accountable in some way? I think they should and if that means registration, so be it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,883 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    @bk

    Your insurance pays for it, no different then if someone clips your mirror when parked and you didn't see it happen. Or if an uninsured driver hits you, etc.


    Funny I thought my insurance was to pay for damage etc. to other people's property caused by me not my own property caused by someone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,949 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I see we have the usual let's create laws we won't enforce and pretend it will make a different.

    "...three years of compulsory automobile liability insurance at a cost of ....(US$44)..."

    Quite the bargain.

    7 deaths in a population of 23 million and annual road deaths of around 3,000.





  • Registered Users Posts: 8,189 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    I work in the Motor trade. Most of my day is spent arranging repairs to vehicles damaged by drivers and 3rd party's'

    Some observations:

    1. claiming for a damaged mirror from insurance? Why? mirrors are not that expensive. It requires a lot for force to break them, if some rider on an e-scooter breaks your mirror, get out of your car, don't move the guy on the ground as he probably has a broken arm and call an ambulance. Once at the hospital, get his Credit card details and send him a bill for your mirror.
    2. Yes there are dishonest people out there...the vast majority of them drive cars and if the opportunity arises to get away without paying for damage to a 3rd party's vehicle, they will take it. you have the car registration number? ask any Garda and they will tell you that's no guarantee that you have identified the driver. (in most cases..people get the registration number wrong, so unless you have it from CCTV footage,,best of luck)
    3. Purely anecdotal i know, but my own car has dents, scratches on both doors, all caused by other car drivers who i have no doubt were fully taxed, insured and with full licenses etc, yet not one of them paid a cent towards the damage to my car.
    4. In my view license plates for bikes are about as good as CCTV is for identifying a thief who is caught on CCTV wearing a scarf,sunglasses and a nike tracksuit! (no chance)


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,698 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    People use the road. You’ve seen people crossing the road, right? They can cause collisions, by stepping out without checking, often with earphones in.

    Do people need a visible registration plate to ensure that they are accountable for collisions they cause?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,737 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Legal schmegle, there's 100's of Scooter riders and Deliveroo bikers etc. whizzing around at 30 to 50kph+ every day on the streets, if they had to be registered then it would take a lot of the home conversion bikes and illegal high speed scooters off the streets...

    If they are clearly using illegal devices at the moment, what makes anyone think that they would pay attention to a requirement to register their illegal vehicle?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,949 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't think they've thought that through.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Well, a registered Electric bike/scooter would have a sticker or a small licence plate on it as they do in say Switzerland, so any vehicle without that would be stopped by the Gardai and subject to a fine.....would have thought that was obvious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,290 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tell that to the families of people who have died in accidents on electric scooters or or the 40+ others seriously injured here alone and increasing and that's before ebikes are added to the list several deaths too



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,441 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,441 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    not sure how a registration would help when someone crashes into a pole. you said several though, are there more?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,949 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Afaik it's only "fast" ebikes that require registration in Switzerland.

    there are two categories of electric bicycles: slow electric bicycles (pedal assistance of up to 25 km/h); and fast or speed electric bicycles (pedal assistance of up to 45 km/h).


    The minimum age for riding all models of electric bicycles in Switzerland is 14 years. From the age of 16, cyclists riding a slow electric bicycle do not need a driving license. Young riders aged above 14 are allowed to ride a slow electric bicycle if they hold a category M driving license (one for mopeds).


    Fast or speed electric bicycles must be equipped with a license plate and a sticker. The use of a helmet is mandatory for speed e-bike riders.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,737 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    But having an electric bike that goes over 25kpm is already illegal, so why does anyone think they will suddenly register their illegal vehicle?

    Also Switzerland does not have a requirement for registration on electric bikes. They overtake me frequently, so I would know.

    For scooters that can go at '>3pkh without input sure. I don't think anyone is arguing against that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,949 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    What has overtaking got to do with registration.

    I don't think everyone is against scooters for that matter.



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