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New TB Testing Rules - Effective from 1st February 2023

  • 28-11-2022 5:00pm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,327 ✭✭✭✭ - Bovine TB (

    Initially, the requirements are that:

    • Cows of all ages, and males over the age of 36 months that are moving farm to

    farm or through a mart must be TB tested in the last six months and

    • They must also be moving from a herd that has been tested in the last six months.

    • If they do not fulfil both these requirements, they must then be tested, either

    within the 30 days prior to movement or within 30 days after movement into the new herd.

    'To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail'


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭alps


    And that "and" is a sick dirty inclusion..

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath

    I can get the logic in that an animal must be within 6 months of test when its been sold in the mart, I remember years ago it was 60 days and it wasn't until my dad would send me into the office to pick up the card that you would know how close they were to been out of test.

    But I don't know why the destination farm has to be within 6 months of test, its not like the TB test works as a vaccine and gives cattle a period of protection from TB.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy

    Is there enough vets in the country to double up on the herd testing aswell. I had to wait 6 weeks for my last test in June, they were up the walls. I'm in a high incidence area anyway so basically have to test twice a year at a minimum.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm

    The thin end of the wedge. Next thing I can see this coming down the tracks is 6 month TB testing for all becoming compulsory.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭alps

    Reading it the second time, it's correct...just very badly written..(or very badly read🤭)

    If the whole herd of the seller is not with 6 months of a test, then that group of animals must be tested either within 30 days of sale or 30 days of purchase..

    A heifer is a cow..once calved.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath

    @amacca sorry I read it wrong.

    So my understanding now is to sell a cow (or animal over 36 months) the whole herd has to be within 6 months of test, or you can test the animal to be sold and sell it within 30 days. This is really going to effect the cull cow trade in the mart, lads will just factory the cows now instead of the hassle of testing them to bring them to the mart. Plus the lads buy them wouldn't want the hassle of testing them either. Dealers wouldn't be able to buy these cull cows either as they will need to test them before the can sell them on if they aren't within 30 days of test.

    I can see scenarios where this could become really complicated.

    To answer your question, the farmer is going to pay for all this extra testing, not that it will make a blind bit of difference to the number of reactors or improve the situation one bit. My vets are under enough pressure and busy enough without all this extra work. They have 2 vets dedicated to small animal care as it is at the minute, they may dedicate one to full time testing now too.

    I assume like the stocking units once a heifer has a calf she is classified as a cow even if she is only 15 /16 months. This will put lads of calving springing heifers and selling them then.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭alps

    Dealers won't have to test these cows. Any cow bought for fattening and slaughter won't have to be tested.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Mooooo

    Twud be more within there remit to deal with outbreaks properly where they occur. Only half depopulating some places when all stock should go of they were taking anymore at all, no sign of em dealing with wildlife sources either

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭alps

    Seemed to put in a good effort with wildlife around these parts but cannot understand the logic of removing wildlife and not testing it..

    There is no systematic approach to wildlife like there is to livestock.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath

    @Albert Johnson I would be of a similar opinion to yourself, from seeing what was buying cull cows locally it was Northern exporters or smaller meat processor who seem to have unique contracts that allow them give more in the mart for good heavy cows than the bigger factories would ever give.

    I know what you are saying about the feed lot for the cull cows buyers. 1 has rented a farm beside me and it is a pain, I am testing regular and I have have had 2 reactors on tests in the last 3 years, the both came up clear in the factory.

    The whole testing thing is a massive pain and inconvenience, because of my neighbor and regular testing I don't get too stressed out over it but my father in law gets very worked up the week he is testing, I do actually feel sorry for him.

    I would guess in 12 /24 months time or so they will be looking to test all cattle in a similar manor, they appear to want to limit cattle moving so from farm to farm. Again I would be of the opinion that it would suit factories better if there was no mart to sell cattle in.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭amacca

    Twould sicken a body

    Any chance the unfair trading practices boyos (competition authority) might cast a critical eye on yet another lever to get a lads balls into a processor's vice....or would this be "outside of a remit"

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,855 ✭✭✭✭Base price

    Not a chance in hell as TB surveillance/testing is legislated under various Animal Welfare Acts and animal welfare trumps all - or it should.

    Having said that have a look at this from ten years ago and if I was to trawl further back I reckon that I would come up with similar.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭amacca

    Thank you, very interesting.

    Certainly flies in the face of opinions I've been hearing over the years

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm

    A TB vaccine for every calf should spare us a lot of expense, if it is ever allowed to happen here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭148multi

    Just looking at this, does TB know the difference between a 37 month old male and a 37 month old female ?

    Or is it just securing an industry .

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