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Kenya Ban imminent

  • 24-11-2022 10:23am
    Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    I heard a rumour from a local source with knowledge of Kenya, that International athletics authorities are about to move against Kenya (tomorrow and a multi year ban) and perhaps even against the big K himself.

    We wont have to wait long to find out.

    Until then, do people feel a blanket ban on Kenya is now warranted to sort drug misuse in marathon running Internationally and to stop big corporations like Nike from profiting while turning a blind eye?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    Wada and World athletics to announce. Rumour is 2-3 years blanket Kenya, and Kipchoge busted.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67

    I was reading earlier this morning, and a lot of kite flying in advance of an official sanction looks to be on the cards.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,792 ✭✭✭✭average_runner

    Kipchoge will escape the ban, along with the top kenya women

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    Have you heard something?

    I heard not only wouldn't he escape but he may face a personal ban

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,009 ✭✭✭Itziger

    And where did you hear that?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    Stazza told me. He runs the camp there and knows a lot of the coaches and heads on the scene on the ground over there. That's what he is hearing. We'll find out soon enough. I hope Kipchoge is caught and banned...and Nike suffer as an example. That could make a difference.

    I feel sorry for the lesser level Kenyan athletes who might lose their shot for a better life over this though. I was over there, it's a poor place, worse if youve nothing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭py

    On BBC now too:

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,920 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf

    Are you saying that Stazza told you that Kipchoge is doping?

  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭babacool

    No point in banning anyone. Why not? Look at other sports or even stay within athletics. The so called “clean generation” is faster and better than the “not clean generation”.

    sure, all thanks to better training facilities 😁.

    Let’s just let them do what they do. I enjoy watching kipchoge run. Clean or not clean, super shoe or not super shoe. His stride is brilliant to watch and I hope no one will take that away from us!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,792 ✭✭✭✭average_runner

    Kipchoge is a massive brand to the marathon like bolt was to the 100m.

    Kipchoge getting banned would be a massive own goal as general public haven't a clue about any other marathon male runners

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    If he thinks Kipchoge is likely to be banned then I would be making that assumption.

    If you look at the link sent yesterday. The bolded section at the end points to a running group/camp and this is likely to be that of Patrick Sang (Kipchoge's coach). So I know where he is coming from, that's a logical conclusion.

    Asics is Canova, Adidas is Br Colm, Adidas is some French guy but all are reputedly clean. That leaves Sang I think whose athletes may not have that reputation.

    I believe there was a lot of investigating done pre Covid and this might be the (delayed) fruit of that.

    "Our source a senior official at Athletics Kenya, on condition of anonymity request told, “From where I seat and the information am getting directly from AIU top officials, it’s a done case.” We are at their mercies as from now and we should prepare ourselves for the worse which is being suspended for a minimum of two years or a maximum of three years, so that we can put our house in order,” he said.

    The senior official said that there are many top elite athletes that AIU is on their radar and soon they will be unmasked and this will be the end of their running careers."

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    I agree with you re how the Kenyan youngsters will suffer and how this will impact particularly Iten.

    These are the blunt instruments that are available now. Russia's ban may have had a slightly more geo-political aspect, but there is now no wriggle room for dealing with Kenya.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭rom

    Meeting has been pushed to Tuesday it seems.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭gypsy79

    I know for a fact that Adidas go out of their way to try not sign doping athletes

    Same cannot be said for their main competitor to the point when I see an athlete wearing a swoosh I assume they are doping

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭rovers_runner

    Where was it Mo and Paula used to hide, sorry train.....

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,792 ✭✭✭✭average_runner

    Adidas had Novak from the tennis world on their books for a long time!!!!!!!!

    Also had Tyson Gay

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    Yes. They are going to belatedly through $ at this, but it does seem this is a done deal.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭gypsy79

    I was around when Tyson got busted. They hadnt a fooking clue. I was speaking from athletics POV as that is all i had view of

  • Registered Users Posts: 35 phelimcas

    Shows up the problems of a weak testing regime and the rewards for success in taking the risk.

    Have seen reports that there are also issues in Ethiopia with PEDs. Not sure if it's at the same scale.

    Athletics seems to me to be one of the few sports that has an effective testing regime. Would not be surprised if PEDs are rife in football but FIFA don't address it. Too much money in the game.

    Same with professional boxing and US professional sports.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    Actually Russia was banned because the doping was "systematic". Kenya's is widespread not systematic (pointed out in Ian O'Riordan's article).

    Therefore the most effective course of action might be to proceed with the high profile personal bans. Give Kenyan athletics a time window to prove demonstrable progress in order to save the grass routes there.

    Russia will spin it as discriminatory to them, but who cares to be honest.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,648 ✭✭✭✭event

    Are Rugby players and teams not athletes then?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭gypsy79

    Its an athletics forum and I only know the person who handles athletes for Adidas

  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭6run28

    I would be (probably naively too) surprised and saddened if Kipchoge was doping.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,311 ✭✭✭Cartman78

    Yep...if the likes of Bolt and Kipchoge were exposed as dopers then it would be very damaging for the credibility of the sport as a whole.

    Will be interesting to see how it pans out either way....lots of commercial and political elements in the mix

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad

    AFAIK Stazza hasn't himself accused any specific athletes and put himself out there or anywhere else not in conversation with me at least. He did accurately relay the rumour that was on the ground out there both about the blanket ban and about specific camps which I relayed to kick this thread off. You asked me directly if Stazza had told me Kipchoge was doping. I didn't answer that direct question (the answer is NO). I assumed you were interested in whether Stazza (as someone with contacts over there) thought Kipchoge was suspicious and I naively perhaps answered that one. I guess let's both be fair and not put words in his mouth that he didn't utter.

    (Incidently, rumours still are that athletes from that camp will be hit (not necessarily on Tuesday) , the delay before the meeting may not make a difference there)

    Anyway, here is something he tweeted and thus something we can fairly attribute to Stazza. Might be an interesting thread as it develops:

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭Ceepo

    Was there any update on this?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare

    I will be devastated if kipchoge busted . I only watch marathons when he’s competing . Like what about no human Is limited and all that . Surely not 😭

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭Ceepo

    There is a chance that all that glitters is gold