Electricty supply to field in the countryside.

Ompl

Just bought a shipping container which we want to use as a storage / workshop.

We are placing it in a field which is about 1km from our home so just out of reach of supplying it with an extension lead! ;)

Anyone know what the process is to get ESB connection to the field, when I check their website I mostly see information about connection for new builds or connections where planning permission is in place etc. However, as we dont require planning permission for the container, so we are unsure what the process is for requesting a connection to an empty field.

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058272651/electricty-supply-to-field-in-the-countryside

What do you want the connection for ,,the esb can do a non metered low voitage plug to run a fencer or light etc for something like E500 connection and ground rent of E150/annum.Neighbour went for reconnection of power in an old house and the fee is 4 grand

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058272651/electricty-supply-to-field-in-the-countryside

What makes you think you don't need planning permission?

Ompl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119900736#Comment_119900736

Lovely! Sounds like im heading down the 4k route so! As i'll need a direct connection as I want to be able to run security lights, power washer, saw and a welder occasionaly also.

Ompl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119900757#Comment_119900757

It's not a permanent structure?

I've heard it's a bit of a grey area, but as it can be moved quite easily I'd be willing to take my chances!

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119900771#Comment_119900771

What about just using a generator? Given the very high rural electricity standing charge, it would probably be a lot cheaper. Solar security lights would sort that.

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119900786#Comment_119900786

doesn't matter if it's temporary or permanent it requires planning permission. Highly unlikely you will get an electricity connection without permission.

monseiur

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119901868#Comment_119901868

Planning in this instance is a matter between the client and the planning authority, the ESB do not concern themselves with planning issues (Except of course when they require planning for their own distribution network.)

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119902029#Comment_119902029

The planning permission reference number is asked for on the application form for a connection.

Ompl

When I check the ESB website and choose application for a single commercial unit connection (which is the one I think I need) then I see they request an ordnance survey map, and a site plan, both of which I think can be purchased online, but I don’t see any request for planning application number.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906786#Comment_119906786

oh its there alright.....

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119920385#Comment_119920385

Some people know better than us it seems syd. No planning asked for or even required.

sydthebeat

sHurE iTs tEmpORaRy StrUcTUres InNit.....

Ompl

Ok ... fair enough, but I'm only asking lads, no need to get the measuring tapes out! 🙄

And in fairness, on the ESB website their application precondition checks page doesn't mention planning!

Also, even in your screenshot, there is no asterisk (*) next to the planning authority drop down menu or planning application number, which would suggest to me that it's not compulsory in order to submit the application...

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119900786#Comment_119900786

Not being a permanent structure does not make it exempt from planning. It’s not a grey area.

A hard-wired electricity connection would also suggest it is not actually a temporary structure.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119902029#Comment_119902029

If the ESB are doing construction work for somebody. They’ll probably want to make sure those works are legal. There may be circumstances where it’s not relevant, but they’ll definitely check the boxes.

eusap

There is no requirement to have planning permission for an ESB connection, they look for it in case there is planning conditions attached to the routing of cables

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934314#Comment_119934314

I suppose you'll be telling us next that there's no need for planning permission when applying for water and sewage connections or perhaps even looking for a mortgage!

eusap

When i asked a neighbor who works for ESB how people are able to get electricity connected to fields and later add in mobile homes/cabins the answer was you just need to say its for Animal Welfare and they will connect it

monseiur

The ESB have connected power to 1,000's of houses, garages, factories, farm buildings etc. over the years without planning permission being a prerequisite. In fact planning permission was not required to build a house in Ireland until the 1960's😉 and urban & rural electrification schemes started many years before. The Shannon Hydro Electric Scheme at Ardnacrusha for example was opened July 1929 !

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935753#Comment_119935753

... and people used to be able to drive on the public roads without paying road tax.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935753#Comment_119935753

what has that got to do with the price of stewing beef? lots of things were the norm previously and now they arent, pretty simple

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119936181#Comment_119936181

It's got to do with whether ESB will connect a supply to a site that does not have planning permission.

I have a shed built before 1960, that nowadays would require planning permission, does that mean I can't have an ESB connection to it?

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937707#Comment_119937707

no, although it might mean that you have to talk directly to them rather than filling out an online application

thats a very different scenario though and is of no relevance to . your example is regarding something that was built before the current system was in place so is of no relevance to the question at hand.

chooseusername

@Ompl Download this form, complete it and include an OSI map and site plan; ( it can also be done online)

https://www.signnow.com/fill-and-sign-pdf-form/65023-esb-nc2-form

You'll need a farm connection.

You may need planning permission for anything to do with your connection eg. ESB substation.

You'll need a completion certificate before they do the final connection.

Good luck.

monseiur

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119936181#Comment_119936181

And there's none so blind as those who do not wish to see. The ESB will connect power to a building that never had planning permission, never required one like certain agriculture buildings which were, until very recently, exempted from planning and buildings constructed pre 1960's

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938515#Comment_119938515

one building didnt require planning permission when it was built

the other building needs planning permission to be built

do you see the difference?

Donald Trump

I'd imagine that in the very very unlikely scenario that the OP got the ESB to connect him, that they'd also insist on him having one of those external boxes in place. I don't think they'd connect up to a container.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938713#Comment_119938713

ESB will not be doing any surveys or preparatory work on a proposed building without establishing if planning permission is required. has been granted. That's form NC5 or NC5a you linked, I think. If the structure is already there, with or without planning permission, then it's form NC2, linked in post 24, which has no mention of planning permission. That's @Ompl 's question, not whether they need planning permission for the container, which they obviously do.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938844#Comment_119938844

the OP hasnt said the structure is already there

they said in the OP that it actually isnt in place yet

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938958#Comment_119938958

The ESB won't be doing any work until it's in place obviously. Then the op can submit form Nc2.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938844#Comment_119938844

NC2 used to have a space for PP number, maybe it no longer has but it did at one time most definitely

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934797#Comment_119934797

If planning wasn’t a factor, why would they need to lie about animal welfare to get in connected?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935753#Comment_119935753

Planning exemptions exist for farm buildings, so they have permission to build.

If OP wants to connect power to a building between 1929 and 1964 be won’t need planning permission. But he’ll still need it now to connect his time machine.

Seems an entirely useless historical fact.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119937707#Comment_119937707

You shed has permission.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119938515#Comment_119938515

All of those building have retroactive permission under current planning acts and regulations.

This is absolutely basic stuff.

eusap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966853#Comment_119966853

I think you are confusing the two things,

Is planning required to connect to a newbuild/existing property?, I have no idea, maybe you are right and planning is needed

Is planning required to connect a field? Absolutely not and the ESB will connect on the grounds of animal welfare

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967825#Comment_119967825

What are you suggesting they are connecting to in a field for “animal welfare”.

I somebody says it’s for animal welfare, but instead connects a caravan. The obviously lied, which suggests that ESB do in fact care about the planning status. Otherwise why lie

eusap

@Mellor check out this link, this place was built up last year, a timber stable was put in and ESB connected to it, well a four foot wall with two cabinets, one for ESB one for Fuse board. and afterwards everything else was installed. Cabins/Sheds/Wall/gate and there is zero planning there, even planning was refused a few times for different homes

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2265176,-6.762588,3a,75y,27.36h,95.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdm7akD6Tgz6_KhNyhqxrMQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0