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Dairy Calves 2024



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭ Siamsa Sessions

    Ah sure when you put it like that 😀

    Seriously thou, I’ll have a chat with the accountant about it.

    Are these figures right for €50k shed, ex-VAT

    40% TAMS = €20k

    Leaves €30k, then 20% tax write down of €6k

    So €24k net?

    I’m on 20% tax in off-farm job as I only do 3 days/week but I’d jump to 40% if I went to 4 days.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    Consider carrying the depreciation over eight years. It may pay to put spouse as a partner if she was in the high tax bracket.

    Remember as well that the shed will drive farm profitably. But yes sums would be as you indicate.

    For a young farmer or a woman farming the 60% grant and high tax bracket would mean a 70k+vat shed would be about 17k. The real catch is bring them in at the department costings. You need to be wide awake. It probably means subcontracting the complete shed

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭ greysides

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,889 ✭✭✭✭ Green&Red

    Anyone using Precision microbes? Tommy the vet was raving about them on the Teagasc pod last week.

    Would they be an alternative to a scour vaccine?

  • Registered Users Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ mr.stonewall

    Seems to be only with bobbying on the farm. The wind is turning on this world wide

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    The problem is if you bring them elsewhere too young to slaughter it's a mess. Someone somewhere will get a video of some lads acting the bollax.

    We pointed this out 2-3 years ago that milk processors would put in place penalties to stop it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭ straight

    Bit disingenuous having him on promoting them. He must be another friend of Mr child's.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,889 ✭✭✭✭ Green&Red

    Not really, he was up front about being an ambassador for them

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭ straight

    I'll look forward so to the day that they have sobac on for a promotion so.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭ GrasstoMilk

    No but I’ve only heard good reports about it tbh

    going to get some to have on hand for calves with scour

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  • Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭ Morris Moss

    Use it here and find it good for nutritional scours, wouldn't be expecting it to work miracles though if a calf is very bad.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭ straight

    You won't get them for 500 this year. Money for jam.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    Bought six last Monday in the mart O grade Friesian 270 kgs for less than 500 including feed.

    Never say never again

    Them other lads has eaten about about 850 kgs of ration costing about 350 euro

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭ straight

    Why the poor mouth and the bumming of calves out of all the beef farmers so... 🤣

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    I never bemoan Friesians, I just hope they never manage to successfully develop sexed semen. Although they seem to be getting there.

    A lot of effort went into them TBH, they were hanging around a year and a half, mind you they were obviously the poorest in there bunches.

    The thing with friesian's is some just take more time. Last summer did not help. Friesians need a lot of grass and will consume it if they get it. They will put on weight.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    I don't quite get the concern about dairy farmers not being able to rear a few calves. There are still plenty of people who keep their calves and finish to slaughter anyway.

    Even those that went more specialised into dairy over the last decade or so have hardly forgotten how to feed a few calves. You grow up feeding calves twice a day with a bucket as your first job as a child when the child growing up on the suckler farm might look across the hedge at the bottom of the garden to count the animals a few days a month.

    Even for the lads who expanded up to hundreds of cows now, the computerised feeding systems aren't overly expensive (for them). They can afford proper facilities as well. If you have a proper setup you can look after a lot of calves properly without too much labour or time.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    It not that dairy farmers cannot rear calves it more that many wish not to. Of course the vast majority have calf rearing skills. After all most rear there own replacement heifers.

    Larger dairy farms have to employ labour for to run there operations, calf rearing another task added to that. As well every 50 calves an extra month on a farm means one less cow.

    Ten ISH years ago the advice was to maximize cow numbers, to use easy calving beef bulls and get all non dairy female calves off the farm as fast as possible.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭ davidk1394

    Same here. I found it worked wonders on getting awkward calves to drink too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,493 ✭✭✭✭ Base price

    @Bass Reeves - "As well every 50 calves an extra month on a farm means one less cow" ???

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,730 ✭✭✭ Grueller

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    New nitrates legislation has pushed many dairy farms to the 250/HA. That is why some of these are leasing any land they can

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭ DBK1

    From a nitrogen point of view for someone stocked to their limit.

    50 calves for 1 month would excrete 98kgs of N, so the same as a cow for a year depending on banding.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    Not all lads with dairy followed that advice. The bigger lads might have. Or lads who have gone into it since quotas went probably too. Not everyone went mental when quotas were lifted either. We doubled the number of cows here but in fairness we had originally been hamstrung with a small quota at the start. That left a struggle to build that up before quotas ended which meant we'd have been cautious anyway.

    New regulations making us keep calves for a minimum of X weeks means nothing to us because we keep them to finish anyway.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    The bigger worry for those people would be derogation going to 220kg and high yielding cows up to the 106kg. The man who used to have 3 cows/Ha is going to only have 2 on that same Ha.

    Not everyone is in derogation though. Or some kept out of it by exporting. Exporting will be more difficult but even if it is no longer possible to keep under the 170, you still have a bit of headroom there before the 220.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,922 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves

    The change in banding for cows will put a large number of lads that are not above 170 above. A lot of lads below 170 were probably exporting a bit anyway. I run a grass based beef system and I am hitting 170/HA.

    As a dairy farmer from now on it will be virtually impossible to not be in derogation. Ya it's the heavier lads it will effect most but land is the new quota it's what some dairy farmers are paying stupid money for rented ground.

    But nitrates are only part of the problem. If you have to keep 150+ extra calves ( many are selling at 14 days) for 6 weeks longer it's a significant labour issue where a farmer is using all labour to manage a 2 Nd or 3 rd unit.

    For six weeks 150 calves are the equivalent of losing 5 ISH cows. Add in maybe losing 10-15 cows under banding and you see the turnover lost. If a 220kgN/ HA rule came they be.losing maybe another 20+.

    You could see a dairy farm that had 200 cows previously now back nearly to 150 cows

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭ Anto_Meath

    Around here there would be few and far between dairy farmers that would have less than 100 dairy cows. I guess it would be hard to make a living on any less. There is plenty of suckler farmers around with 50 cows or less and they seem to be doing OK. Now they would have other enterprises going like maybe sheep (not paying well at the minute) or they would be feeding dairy calves or stores to beef, some have a bit of tillage or they do a bit of contracting. Milking cows is a full time job and doesn't leave much time of other enterprises, so if the dairy farmer is going to have to keep bull calves for longer it is going to put a lot more pressure on their time, they haven't even time to go to the mart to sell the bull calves at the minute. As said above the change in the nitrates rules will also have a big impact on the numbers of cows farmers can keep, so with calves around longer they be under pressure here also.

    Was talking to a lad that provides advise to farmers in the UK and Ireland, I was saying to him that in the North and UK you see nearly all Holstein cows unlike here with the Jex cows. He said the UK farmers want volume from less cows where as in the south it is solids from more cows but with the tightening up of nitrates and having to keep calves longer you could see a switch back to a cow producing a larger volume of milk.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭ jaymla627

    Cost of adding on calf rearing facilities that are super labour efficient and are setup for automatic feeders dwarfs any labour issues, calf shed in last weeks journal for circa 100 calves cost 150k incl vat with automatic feeders, take a 400 cow unit needing a shed twice this and your up on 300k to rear calves that will probably be net negative at least 70 euro a head when you get them sold at a month old not even adding in interest and capital repayments on new calf sheds, alot of these units haven't a roof over the cows will be some pill to swallow if they have to spend a few hundred k on calf sheds for jrx Cross calves

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ Jb1989

    In fairness to bass he never cries poor mouth on his business. He changes anything that doesn't make profit.