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19k to spend on a car

  • 12-11-2022 11:29am
    Registered Users Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭

    Hi all,

    i have 19k (15k plus 4K trade in) and I’m wondering what sort of EV this would get me?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    Nissan Leaf 40 kWh

    Renault Zoe

    Hyundai Ioniq

    BMW i3

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    You're basically looking at a Leaf40, Ioniq28 or a Zoe for those prices

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs

    Leaf, Zoe, Ioniq, bmw i3

    You won't get any of the more recent ones

    Leaf and Ioniq would be my picks but I don't know your circumstances

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭Old diesel

    I'd probably buy this if needing a 19 k EV immediately.

    With the caveat that it's now out of battery warranty due to mileage (165 k kms - warranty is only up to 160 k).

    BUT if not needing a car immediately I'd wait and see what the Market does next year.

    Because the MG4 brand new at 28 k is likely to impact on every 2nd hand EV up to that 28 k MG4 price.

    For example there was a Peugeot e208 with 100 k kms up for 24.5 k recently.

    Next year that car will be much harder to sell at that price imo.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭tom1ie

    Yeah good point.

    The only thing is I need a car now at the moment and I don’t think any of the above would cater for my needs. (300km trips twice or three times a week- no destination charging- home charging).

    In fact I don’t see any 40KWH leafs under 20k for sale?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    You should have said that in the OP.

    Your restrictions mean an older car may not suit u less you stop for a quick too up either direction.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    Here's the one I found

    You'll definitely need a charge to do 300km

    If the rest of your driving is under 30km then maybe a PHEV would be better?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

  • Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty

    No destination charger is killer. Could that be tackled at all? Or a diesel Outlander phev so at least some of the commute could be done on EV?

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    Assuming 150km each way.

    Any of the above cars can do the the 150km.

    Youd have to stop to complete the journey so you could do a quick stop on the way and on the way home. In and out.

    Dependin on the car could be only 10 mins each way or wait and do a 20 min stop in one go.

    Definitely doable but depending on how many times a week you do it, it could get tiresome.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo

    ^^^ completely agree.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭joe1303l

    The honest answer is €19K won’t buy you much of an EV unfortunately. You might consider stretching your budget upward on the basis you should save at least €2k a year on fuel/servicing/road tax/tolls compared to running a petrol or diesel. If you can wait a few weeks until January/February, used EV’s should be more plentiful and cheaper on forecourts. Your 4K trade in won’t really be impacted by waiting until the new year. On that basis, I’d add an e-Golf to the earlier list of suggested EV’s.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭kanuseeme

    19k for an EV is going to be hardship with that sort of driving without destination and home charging.

    For a phev to work you need to do more shorter journeys with the 300 km trips to increase the mpg, just your 300km trip will result in 40 mpg in an outlander phev, but if you do another 300 km (30 to 40 km a time) in electric tipping around you now have an overall average of 80 mpg.

    Do you need a commute car or a family car,

    only 4 seats, I think 300 km is its max on 20 kwh of electricity and a tank full of petrol which is 9 litres, you will be all the time filling up or plugging in, but you would have the option to continue on to the next charger or bring a jerry can.

    A 3 pin plug would help greatly, 10 hours to charge up at home or destination with that car, for a leaf 40kw you would need 20 hours.

  • Registered Users Posts: 63,556 ✭✭✭✭unkel

    I really wouldn't recommend an EV that you will need to publicly fast charge several times a week. Not with Ireland's charging network. Unless it's a Tesla and the charge locations suit you.

    You need to save up a bit more or get a small loan and buy a Hyundai Kona 64kWh, it can easily do that 300km trip in winter without charging. These go from about €25k

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭Spipov

    It sounds to me an electric isnt yet the right fit for you based on circumstances and whats available

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs

    I wouldn't do it, I've a 222 EV with 58kw battery and more range than your budget will allow and I wouldn't fancy doing that 300km trip with no charger at the end now in winter. Although I don't know my car well enough on long spins yet. It could very well do it if I back off speed a bit. The odd time maybe and I'll plan it but not 2 to 3 times a week.

    I don't public charge but I sussed out the ones near me and there's always people at them. Locals without home chargers I'd imagine as it's a good bit off motorway routes so that would be a pain in the hole for you too.

    Don't spend all your budget on the car and leave some for fuel would be my suggestion.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    If you can sort a destination charger then it's very doable with a Leaf40

    Wouldn't rely on a public charger if it can be avoided, too much chance of it being in use

    If there's a lot of fast chargers along your route then it might be doable, having a few options for charging

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭joe1303l

    2018/2019 Ioniq with the smallest kms you can find is probably the best option if you have to pick up a €19K EV now. You’ll have battery warranty up to 8years or 160K kms which would be worth having.

  • Moderators Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight

    Original ioniq 28 was 200km warranty. 2020 onwards (38kWh) was 160km.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭Soarer

    When did they start making diesel Outlander PHEVs?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 756 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty

    Never! According to a quick Wiki to double check, don't know how that slipped in.

    With 40mpg on motorway that's ruled out for the OP.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭tom1ie

    Thanks for all the input guys!

    I’ve decided to go with a frugal diesel for the next few years and then hopefully there will be EV options at this price point when I have to change again.

    Thanks again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭joe1303l

    Makes sense, If you need decent range, EV’s only really an option if you can buy new or 2-3 years old. If new EV sales keep climbing, it should make for a different landscape on the used car market next time you go to change. Some good used cars coming here from Japan again to fill the gap left by Brexit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭whizkid9

  • Registered Users Posts: 63,556 ✭✭✭✭unkel

    I wouldn't spend €19k on a diesel if I were you. You will lose your shirt on it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,078 ✭✭✭creedp

    Lots of shirts to be lost so. Not too many decent used diesels out there for less, particularly for larger cars. The real problem arises if currently ridiculously overpriced new and used EVs in this class's don't reduce to more reasonable levels when the time comes to replace these diesels.

    As always the cost of change is the only metric that matters.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭tom1ie

    Why do you say that? A petrol wouldn’t have the same mpg as a diesel- and its really 15k cash (loan) and a 4K trade in.

    I can’t see many decent petrols for 15k tbh

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭Soarer

    If your current car is worth €4k, it can't be a bag of bolts.

    Why not hold onto that until you're ready to get the EV? You'll lose less in value on that than whatever you buy to replace it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭tom1ie

    This indeed was my plan but unfortunately I have to offload it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 63,556 ✭✭✭✭unkel

    If you already have to get finance for €15k, it might be financially wiser to get a bigger loan and buy an EV that suits (like a €25k Kona). If you do big miles, the cost savings are substantial. You'd get 400km out of the Kona for a fiver if you are on Energia's EV plan.