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Amhran na bhfiann

  • 04-11-2022 8:44pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭


    Listening to anthems at Ireland A rugby v New Zealand , it was sang a lot better than normal and when its sang right its a uplifting song, Compared to other nations we let ourselves down sometimes with a meek singing of our Anthem .

    The worst singing of the Anthem is often at GAA matchs as the impatient crowd break away 3/4 way through whereas to be fair its always sang with great gusto at Ireland Soccer games.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,347 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    That's a terror.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Whenever we play away it always seems like it’s played at a slower pace so it’s harder to get away support, and players, up for it.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,715 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    At least in the GAA we dont sing Irelands call. The West Brit anthem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    The fact that it was translated from English always makes me snigger slightly. It kind of epitomises the nature of the Gaelic revival.

    The Bhearna Bhaoil is actually a mountain pass in County Wicklow, but was reinvented as the scene of battle at New Ross in the 1798 rebellion, the truth is out there, whatever takes your fancy. The Gap of danger is the military road that was built by the British army to enable their safe passage through the mountains which since the Battle of Glenmalure were notoriously dangerous and treacherous places for them to travel through being littered and inhabited with gangs of mountain bandits known as The Kern or Kerns which ironically is an Anglicised version of ceithern being groups of savages who lived wild throughout the country. Dangerous wee chunts all said, who basically made a living ransacking local villages and robbing the phuck out of them. Not necessarily in the name of Irish freedom either? They lived hand to mouth in the lands surrounding Mullaghcleavaun across the ridge to Tonlegee and Turlough Hill. They were all convicts who would be arrested and executed or at best killed on sight. Curse and swear Lord Kildare. That ditty was written in English by Paddy McCall in the late 19th century. I actually would prefer it to the soldiers Song, it has better energy. We really missed a trick there in fairness, can you imagine the entire Lansdowne or Croker, or even your local of a Sunday night skipping ditty to " Lift MacCahir Og your face You're brooding o'er you're old disgrace,That black FitzWilliam stormed your place, and sent you to the Fern.

    They were both composed in English.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,470 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It gets due respect at Ulster GAA games. Some of the Tyrone and Armagh elements might get a bit uncivil subsequently, but they know the correct protocol for the anthem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Speaking as someone who likes a bit of trad and is sometimes asked to play Amhrán na bhFiann. It's a dirge of a tune, played more often than not like a funeral march. Yes, it can be played in a quicker, more up tempo way but that might be verging on disrespect.

    Personally I dislike it and if we are going to look for new arrangements on the island, we should seize the opportunity to retire Amhrán na bhFiann and come up with something more generally uplifting. And not the likes of the Fields of Athenry, another awful dirge. The rugby anthem is well enough known both sides but it's very twee and a bit cringey to put it mildly. Danny Boy to the Derry or Londonderry Air as you prefer is a strong option, though a work around would be needed for the high note.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Never liked it, the Oz/NZ ones are even worse. We should have used The Minstrel Boy as our anthem, total banger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,470 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It gets played often by pipe bands, and it seems to be a bit tricky. I think they would struggle with Danny Boy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    Danny Boy would have been cancelled by the woke crowd.

    Too much crossing glens and down valley sides... that's before the blatant sexism, they would change it to Daniella Person.

    Always thought that Tom Jones classic was a shoe in " its good to touch the gween gweeen gwasssss of ho-um" , St Patrick was Welsh as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I think it’s a decent tune. My favourite anthems would be the German, Russian and Italian. Have always thought the French is a bit over rated. You wanna talk dirge, just go to our next door neighbour. Awful stuff, and that’s before you even talk about the cringey lyrics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,967 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Shoving Connie around the green, as my dad refers to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I have to change the channel or mute when Ireland's call is on, just makes me cringe, awful stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,756 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I like it Amhran na bhfiann



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,522 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,128 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    It just seems a bit dated, it's in Latin?, no one speaks that here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    Lol west brits giving out but it’s ok for them to sing slave songs, probably the same “Irish” that cried when the English went to croaker. Farcical



  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭THE_SHEEP


    I recall , many moons ago , the national anthem being played at the end of the night in niteclubs ( it used to make boyos brave for the ruck at the chipwagon !! ) .

    I also used to love the anthem being played at the end of the nights broadcast on RTE . If that didn't make you proud of your country , nothing would , in my opinion .




  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Instant mute for me too. It's so bad I'd go back into a room to mute it if it started playing. Still there's probably a clock ticking somewhere on all these right wing "backward thinking" signs of nationalism.

    Wasn't Peter Sutherland, that lovely man from Goldman Sachs, such a true gent ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I dunno - 'You Raise Me Up' is practically a copy of it and very popular too. There was a documentary on 'Danny Boy - the unofficial anthem of Ireland', or something like that a few years ago. Very well known and recognisable - would also keep our American cousins and investors happy!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    air ata vare saoir ata faoi gheal ag eireann

    bhíronn dar suil shan ter nor ainig oon

    ar ata vare saoir sean tir or sheeensha fasta

    ni awkward not faoin tear or not fwain trá

    Anocht a haon sa Bhaerna Bhaoli

    la galla screa come baás no sceil

    le canadg scrae fawon conach nach be late

    sea bheag canadh

    Arán na Bhfíonn


    Gotta love it. I did learn it Scouts though, by heart. A long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

    Born to be free.



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    Some of yiz need to go back on yizzer meds. Just saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,424 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Only one version of Amhrán na bhFiann is acceptable.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,941 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    As anthems go it’s one of the better ones… La Marseillaise is another good one…I’ve been in the Stade de France a few times to witness it’s rendition and it’s the only one that comes close to ours.

    speaking of different arrangements on the island as mentioned above.. is that reference to a potential United Ireland or a more ethnically diverse one ? Maybe we’ll get told to drop it…before unification..

    Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to Ireland,

    Some have come from a land beyond the wave.

    Sworn to be free, no more our ancient sireland,

    Shall shelter the despot or the slave.

    Tonight we man the ‘bearna bhaoil’

    In Erin's cause, come woe or weal,

    'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,

    We'll chant a soldier's song.


    might not go down well, 🫣😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,877 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Some have come from a land beyond the wave.

    I think it's very inclusive, tbh...


    There's only one anthem I remember being played at the end of the night on RTE




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I'm almost half a century old, I'm Irish, live in Ireland and quite ashamedly don't know the words to my National Anthem, Amhran na bhFiann.

    How did I get through school and not be taught this? Nothing stopping me from learning it now though so maybe that'll be my goal for this week. Learn something I should have learned 40+ years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    "Shinners, Fianna Fáil

    Are too Fine Gael for Éirinn"

    Post edited by Esel on

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    How did ya manage that - must have been mitching! Practically bet into us in national school - phonetically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Never heard it/learned it in primary or secondary school either…had to go away and learn it ourselves



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭buried


    The reason the vast majority of us never learnt Amhrán na bhFiann at school is because the vast majority of us were taught in Vatican Holy See backed Madrasa's. No mention of the Greek affiliated 'Christos' or 'Jesus' in Amhrán na bhFiann, no mention of Egypt either, the National Anthem was all about Ireland, specifically ancient Ireland, so the Vatican can't be having any of that craziness. They wanted you to believe your national Irish heritage came from Egypt 2000 years ago through Greek translations from 400AD that talked about a rouge Rabbi that was crucified over in Jerusalem

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,470 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    What is sung usually is just the chorus. There are three verses and the chorus.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Jayno66


    It might be sung with great gusto by the crowd at (some) soccer games. But the soccer players have to be the most unenthisiastic group of people to ever sing the anthem. A good chunk of them don't bother, and those who do mumble it under their breaths at best. At least the majority of rugby and GAA players actually sing it, and put a bit of passion into it as well while doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,877 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I don't know about that, this new generation of players seem to at least know the words anyway, whatever about their performance on the pitch...

    and then you have the women's team as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Quitelife



    A few years ago and in English but the know the Soliders song well in Glasgow!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Nope, we weren't taught it as far as my memory serves me. It's possible that I'd forget some words if I was taught it 40 years ago but it's unlikely that I'd actually forget ever having been taught it.

    I asked my Mam who is a couple of months shy of 80 years of age this evening if she knew the words to it and she said she didn't and she's pretty sure she was never taught it in school either.



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