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The great big bus driver shortage. Why in the name of god would you drive a bus these days anyway...

  • 02-11-2022 5:27pm
    Registered Users Posts: 926 ✭✭✭d51984

    As the title suggests why? Horrible hours, , not been able to see your family and kids a lot, working horrible shifts, daily abuse and the money isnt the best neither.

    I worked at Dublin bus, put up with the abuse, the **** hours. I left couldn't do it anymore. Now I'm working Monday to Friday, 6am-2pm in a warehouse for a large retailer, and guess what?. Im coming out with nearly 200 euro more and have my weekends free.

    I feel better, my stress levels are way down and for the first time in a long time Im happy.

    Driver shortages are just going to get worse, a lot of drivers leaving aswell, why would anyone join the industry now? What can be done to change things?


    Its a disgrace Joe!



  • For the same reason that there is NO First Class / Business Class services on the island. There are First Class coach services in the US, UK and Japan. You have Gold Liner Buses, but yeah, that does'nt elevate the passengers on board.

    My experience of Bus Eireann stopping at Dublin Airport, looking at the itinerary to Galway or wherever, okay a few more minutes, but looking at the Tired & Cranky people board coming off the planes and then they have to put on their luggage. Deflates the journey after the first mile or two. If you've travelled on Bus Eireann like this from Dublin AIrport, don't take it personally! ;D

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,249 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    And none of them can get better jobs closer to home? Really?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭bigroad

    I think a better work,life balance might help.

    20 quid an hour and a 4 day week.

    Any abuse and it's off .

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  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults

    All of them could. And in time, all of them probably will.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,006 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    Salary: Average salary €791.55 per week (5-day week inclusive of shift and Sunday premium), increasing to €916.50 (6 year pay scale). Annually… 41,160 - 47,658

    that’s from the Dublin Bus advertisement for drivers..published last January..

    So the basic wage is good, bad, indifferent ? What do people think ? proportionate to the skills and responsibilities required ?

    it’s a very responsible job yes. But ‘highly’ skilled ? I’m just asking that question genuinely as someone who has never driven anything bigger then an SUV to be honest so….

    30 days holidays + healthcare is certainly a sweetener or would be…

    increasing wages where drivers are on close to a grand a week ?

    Dublin bus is owned by the state so it’s the tax payers picking up the tab.

  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults

    It's clearly not a good enough wage. If it was, there wouldn't be a massive shortage of people prepared to do the job. The high level of responsibility is one of the reasons why the rewards need to be higher, regardless of any arguments about the skill. I totally get why that's unpalatable, but if we want a good public transport system, we'll have to pay for it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thinkabouit

    Wages aren’t bad too be fair, if you couldn’t live off that then that’s your own problem.

    and like others have posted, by the time you have your tax’s paid, it’s as average a wage as any other out

    Early or part time retirement and decent pension is what it’s all about

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,435 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster

    Conditions matter just as much as pay for many. Given the increasing amount of late or night shifts, total lack of facilities (both lunch rooms and public toilets in general), crappy split shifts being a thing etc it really isn't attractive from a work life balance either.

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 5,841 Mod ✭✭✭✭Raichu

    Have seen this myself. DB drivers getting the bus home. Always wondered how they felt about the commute, was it sickening to be on a bus again or was it nice to not have to drive? Maybe a bit of both.

    That 17 year old isn’t carrying circa 50 passengers onboard, while potentially being subjected to numerous distractions all at once.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,906 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash

    Many people prefer shift work and irregular hours and it usually pays better. I've been doing shift work for 35 years and wouldn't do anything else. I'd hate to have every weekend off - I'd much prefer to have days off during the week.

  • Registered Users Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Jafin

    I was on an Expressway bus a few weeks ago in Limerick, waiting to depart. Someone came on to the bus that the driver knew (I think she also worked for the company, but I don't know in what capacity) and the driver was essentially saying he was at his wit's end because he was only given hours on the weekend and kept being promised full time hours, yet the company kept taking on new drivers and giving them full time hours and wouldn't give them to him.

    Of course this is just one anecdote from a single driver, no idea if this is common throughout the company as a whole or not.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy

    They get free travel so it's a bit of a no brainer for them to use the bus to get to work provided they live on a bus route that'll take to the garage they are based at. Saves the cost of running a car.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin

    One DB driver I know gets the train in wherever possible as he finds his local bus routes unreliable. Clue; BE and DB aren't his local bus companies 🤫

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thinkabouit

    What do other countries offer To retain drivers I wonder.

  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 21,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk

    Other countries throughout Europe having similar issues, London, Poland, etc.

  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy

    So do you have a solution? It seems hypocritical that management likely on 6 figure salaries themselves can claim that they can't afford to pay drivers anymore.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,618 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9

    Not sure DB only offering Thur-Sun work helps. I get the seniority side but surly a better balance can be found.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,038 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer

    Just to add the comment that Dublin Bus still has EUR 25.2m of accumulated losses to recover on the Balance Sheet - that has to be cleared off at some point.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy

    Well the alternative is heavy fines from the NTA which isn't going to help with that balance sheet either.