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Fine introduced for misuse of EV charging bay

  • 27-10-2022 11:15am
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭

    As per today some new fines are introduced. Some fines are doubled, like speeding fines that went from €80 to €160. But there is also an interesting one in there... €80 Fixed Charge for "Parking in designated electric charging bay for anything other than charging vehicle battery". (source: pdf ( item 16 in the table on page 12)

    It's long over due, I've seen it plenty of times in Dublin. I hope the Gardai will actually enforce it, and wonder if this is also applicable to chargers on private grounds, like service stations?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22

    Good news, should double that fine for EV vehicles parked and not plugged in and trebled for those left plugged in all day.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭zg3409

    Enforcement will be an issue and non public parking spaces where many chargers are based are not included such as garage forecourt or apartments or hotels.

    I know fines are already issued by parking wardens in Bray at least and clamping in Dublin city centre but these are mostly for EVs that did not pay for parking or stayed parked after charging completed as in Bray parking is free only while charging.

    The wording in the law is not clear if you charge and overstay when charge completed have you committed an offence if you have paid for parking.

    It will allow ICE on public streets to be fined by wardens even if they have paid for parking, but I don't know if it will do anything for EVs parked all day while plugged in. ESBs overstay fee for AC chargers only applies after 10 hours, but possibly only if still actively charging but most cars will be full after 10 hours so technically charging may have stopped so the overstay fine may not actually be applied to anyone on AC. Tow away like happens in Netherlands with a number to call would be better. Clamping used to happen in Blanchardstown but the centre chose to stop it after complaints.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 46,974 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder

    does the word 'ICEing' have a specific meaning? because the wording suggests it's for any car parked in a charging spot which is not charging?

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,176 ✭✭✭✭ELM327

    This already existed and had an 80E fine.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭UID0

    It's down as a fine under section 35 of the Road Traffic Act, 1994, which is "regulations for the general regulation and control of traffic (including the parking of vehicles) and pedestrians in public places", so it applies to any public place.

    The public place definition goes back to the Road Traffic Act, 1961, which defines

    “public place” means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

    I don't think the Gardaí are likely to enforce it in any off-street parking location.

    The wording of SI 325 of 2014 say that parking in EV marked spots is only allowed for "an electrically powered vehicle the battery of which is being recharged", so overstaying cars have committed an offence, but I would be surprised if anybody does get fined for this. I think that the biggest risk of being fined is at a charger that unlocks the cable when charging is completed. If another person arrives and sees that the car in the ev charging space has completed charging, and disconnects the cable from the charge pedestal in order to connect their own cable, then the car is in the ev parking space for a purpose other than charging the vehicle battery.

  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog

    I would argue that the act of using a designated EV charging bay for the purpose of charging my car covers time spent waiting for the charger to be available and a period of time after charging is complete.

    I wonder who will be the first to park their I3 REX with the engine running and claim they are in an electrically powered vehicle and are recharging their car.

    The SI seems well intentioned, but other than blatant abuse by non-plug-in vehicles it's going to be hard to enforce.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    Every Friday in Limerick the charger by the marketplace is taken by either an ICE or an EV not charging, can't be that hard to enforce it there

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,660 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling

    The charger on golden lane is often used by a model 3 who never plugs in.

    Theres another charger on Mark street and that's used by a Prius who obviously thinks it's a spot exclusively for him.

  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭SVI40

    Like so many of our laws it won't be enforced, but it makes for good sound bites.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    So what happens if you're in an E-tron or something and have to park across two spaces to use the charger?

    I mean, it's down to bad design of the chargers (and car). So you technically aren't abusing the charging space

    (Btw, I know the answer, you'd be done for bad parking instead, I'm just having a little joke 😉)

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    Prius's self charge so technically it's doing nothing wrong

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭Furze99

    Be easier to have a hefty fine for ANY vehicle parked at a public EV charging bay for more than 30 minutes. That'd soon sort things out, allow a quick charge top up. Cut all the crap.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,660 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    They only self charge when they're moving, so parking a hybrid in a charging spot is wrong 😜

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    As ELM pointed out this has been in existence for years, it's just the fine has increased. Will not be enforced, same as always.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    Ah I didn't know that, I never owned one, only followed what the ads said, my bad

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭kanuseeme

    Some are phevs, newer ones had an option of a solar panel in the roof of the car,

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭kirving

    There is one particular 22kW charger in Ranelagh almost permanently taken by a PHEV, whenever the parking is free. Obviously a local resident, but the overstay fee only activates after 10hrs on a 7 / 22kW charger. It should be 2hrs maximum, even on a 7kW.

    That would cover the vast majority of PHEV's to maximum charge at 7kW and likely give a BEV driver a very decent to up (since they'd be at 22kW).

    There needs to be at much turn over as possible at on-street chargers, and big fines for overstaying. EV drivers are worse for blocking chargers than ICE I think.

    Oh, and as a driver of a 330e - I think we need to ban PHEV's from public chargers, or at least some of them. I'm on the fence about it if I'm honest, and I really do think PHEV's have their merits, but we need to keep public chargers available for BEV's, and anything but a ban doesn't work in practice.

  • Registered Users Posts: 779 ✭✭✭hick

    Hybrids should be included also in the fine. Simply put if you have a BEV you have no option but to use a charger. If you own a Hybrid or PHEV then you have an alternative engine and fuel supply, you do not NEED to charge.

    hybrids and PHEVs can charge at home with relative ease (there are solutions now for on street parking also)

    yes it seems a little blunt, but as a BEV driver who has been at low state of charge and arrived at all kinds of charges to see a PHEV parked there I can tell you who is worse off.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    Only a few BEVs charge at 22kW, most will max out at 7kW or 11kW on the 22kW chargers

    So I'm not sure 2 hours would really work

    I think the main problem is that AC chargers are like gold dust, especially around Dublin. And ESB don't have any interest in installing more of them

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    Public chargers are open to all members of the public. Just my opinion.

    I've been caught by them in the past but looking at the bigger picture... If that driver wasn't in a PHEV he or she would probably be in either a hybrid, which would be worse for the economy, or another BEV, meaning the car would be taking the same charger, but for longer

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,660 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling

    I think basically if your car has a plug and can take on electricity from that plug then charge away. Note you should be actively charging. If you are driving a "self charging" vehicle (Toyota) or a petrol or diesel then you are breaking the law by parking (blocking) a charger.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    Here's one, I passed by one of the AC chargers in Pavilions earlier and it was showing a red light

    I was tempted to park there since it's close to the door and it was bad drivers day apparently

    Obviously wouldn't be charging, or bothering to plug in

    Would I be in the wrong? 🤔

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    If you are not charging and occupy the space in a public area then you are breaking the law, the law that’s been there for years yet virtually never enforced

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭kirving

    Yeah, true enough on the 22kW.

    As far as I see it though, on-street AC chargers just shouldn't be used for long periods, at least not now given their scarcity.

    2 full hours, even at just 7/11kW, will give an EV a nice range boost to get home after a commute into Dublin say.

    I get that too, and my PHEV really comes into it's own around town where the petrol is very inefficient.

    I'd much rather see people in PHEV's on battery all week in Dublin, and burn a tank of fuel once a month on a cross country trip, than have an 80kWhr battery sitting unused for 90% of it's journeys.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,884 ✭✭✭creedp

    Have always argued that on street EV chargers should not be hogged including by fully charged EVs. However many view them as destination chargers and therefore fair game for anyone lucky enough to find a free one on a 'possession is 9/10ths of the law' basis. Its most frustrating to be driving around with low range finding the minimal no of such chargers hogged by fully charged EV, Phevs etc. Serious lack of consideration, especially by EV drivers who should best appreciate their importantce

  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog

    I'd rather see a charger used than force someone to move their car at 3am. AC charging is an added service enhancing your parking space, if you need to charge your car to get somewhere then DC chargers are the answer.

  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog

    What if the charge point is reset 5 minutes after you park and comes back online?

    I remember a few years ago a Tesla blocked the DC charger at Blanchardstown due to the CHAdeMO being offline. He parked for 2 hours and was super annoyed at the clamp. I was stuck waiting for the CCS which was working but unavailable due to the physical presence of his car.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,884 ✭✭✭creedp

    As I said thats the view shared by many EV drivers. Luckily many hoggers were free loaders and the introduction of charging for charging worked wonders for access. Still a problem of course but it has improved