Attempting to destroy famous paintings because fossil fuels

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810821#Comment_119810821

I would not bother. I read a whole wall of text in a document and found buried they don't know the ice thickness. Almost like they were hoping no one read that far past the graph. They also will not tell us how much ice has melted as a percentage.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810821#Comment_119810821

To say your support for anti oil protesters seems a bit odd, given your love of things with hydrocarbon guzzling ICE engines and coal, is putting it mildly. Wind-up, comes to mind.

Ah here that’s like saying “I see you use Intel products, sure is hypocritical of you to condemn Israel for murdering 3 children” etc.

Acting like consumers have no room to speak out about the situation because of the ubiquity of the products seems a bit farce. oh I see you use the internet, gotcha, did you know the internet is not carbon neutral- evil laughter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810827#Comment_119810827

only wanted to point out your comparison is absolutely bananas

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810847#Comment_119810847

If not for the fact that I so often see it from Hasbara accounts online, who are fond of issuing a laundry list of things people should have to boycott if they want to be critical of israel etc. (QED: talking points like this https://www.csmonitor.com/World/2014/0130/10-brands-you-ll-have-to-give-up-if-you-re-boycotting-Israel/Intel)

And here we see the same bananas level of discourse, expecting someone who agrees with the protest of the fossil fuel industry's practices (QED: record breaking profits reported during record period of inflation = exploitation of the commons) having to eschew themselves of things like, internal combustion engines, or get rid of everything in their home that contains a plastic, rubber, lubricant or sealant, etc.

So you are dead right to call up the bananas comparison. Here is a banana for scale: 🍌

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810851#Comment_119810851

theres was pretty bananas also to be fair

i couldn’t support them personally because they’re idiots. But absolutely it’s ludicrous to suggest that by using something that’s so important to most of us you therefore can’t be against it.

I think single use plastics for example are terrible. But, in most hotels and restaurants we use single use plastic piping bags & a lot of cling film.

Does that mean because I work in hotels and restaurants I can’t have a problem with plastic waste? I’ve never quite understood why being against something, no matter what that something is, you couldn’t be caught next or near it. If you don’t denounce [thing] you’re a hypocrite!

Yeah oil and plastic is bad for the earth, but not paying my bills and eating is bad for me. I need both to go to work & do my work, to make money, to pay live. I guess I’m a hypocrite!

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810709#Comment_119810709

Ok I see your confusion : I am not comparing their personal suffering

the comparison is with the establishment doing something blatantly unjust and wrong

in this case - continuing to use fossil fuels in a way that benefits them at a cost to future generations, birds and animal species , the planet, others . Yes?

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810821#Comment_119810821

I have a suggestion for you : why not put as much effort into researching the problems facing the planet as you are into researching me - even I don’t think that I’m that important 🤣🕺

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810824#Comment_119810824

Is this the document that you couldn’t explain?🤣😂

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810856#Comment_119810856

I guess that you were delighted to hear that we dont need fossil fuels and that switching to renewables - saves us money

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810396#Comment_119810396

Any evidence for how remarkably effective they have been?

TooTired123

The lack of self awareness of these protestors and their supporters is staggering.

Their intent in these stunts is to generate huge publicity for a cause which doesn’t need any more publicity.

Outside of the socio economic group with which these protestors most identify with ( the vast majority of us) we are mildly concerned about the destruction of the planet. But we are far more concerned with real time, immediate issues, our health and our families health, money, relationships.

These actions by these groups aren’t creating awareness of climate change, they’re just inconveniencing the public, causing us hardship, costing us money.

So now the public hate them, especially as we all know that they are all from a background where finances are not a concern, and there’s plenty of free time to be a heroic climate change warrior.

And the governments are going to use this hatred to further stall on the changes needed to save the planet.

As I said, the lack of self awareness is staggering.

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810821#Comment_119810821

Hypocrite might be a word that springs to mind “do as I say not as I do” lecturing all and sundry whilst putting more emissions into the air than many other posters combined defending social media attention whores ironically backed by an oil tycoon heiress.

You couldn’t make it up really, it kinda makes sense now that these actions could be backed by the oil industry actually to literally put more people to their side by pissing people off because that’s literally what’s happening but the lemmings defending them can’t see it.

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811275#Comment_119811275

This 100%.

But unfortunately the lemmings defending them here can’t see that and their only response to it is “do you not believe in climate change” because the idea of nuance is far beyond them.

These morons are literally doing more harm than good unfortunately but hey they have their social media likes and follows cos literally that’s all that matters to them

cnocbui

I have put more effort into it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119810824#Comment_119810824

I have put more effort into researching these issues than you have, that's pretty clear. Still waiting on that simple question of how you make a wind turbine without using fossil fuels, which you haven't answered yet, despite being asked twice previously.

Here's another simple question I'm sure your extensive research will have put the answer, straight on the tip of your tongue: What percentage of the Earth's heat budget comes from the forcing attributable to the anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere?

AckwelFoley

Thread has turned laughable unfortunately

One poster, with clearly a superiority complex remains patronising towards other posters more than insinuating that they're stupid, despite countless times having it explained to this idiot, they clearly understand the reason, but don't agree, yet, repeatedly doesn't accept this and considers them stupid in a classic attempt to stemroll their pretty ridiculous argument and stifle debate.

The irony is unbearable

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811012#Comment_119811012

Yes their aim was to draw attention to the situation and lots of peolpe are talking about it

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811275#Comment_119811275

Yes you are correct - most people are not aware of how serious a problem the climate crisis is because it is not in front of their face and affecting them that much right now.

I believe that you are also correct that there are many who just dont like their type and because they appear to be from a different socio economic group they dont like their message - There is a name for people like that.

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811434#Comment_119811434

Just remind us all again of the important significence of your manufacturing question and then I will endeavour to answer it. ok?

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811525#Comment_119811525

If you say his name three times you - you turn back into a limpet🤣😂

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811525#Comment_119811525

I think there's two of them, to be fair.

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811333#Comment_119811333

Ok I give up - you are right - Im actualy with you guys

I hate the protest because I hate their type - they are from upper classes - telling us what to do. Baaaa humbug

and Im sure I seen one of them using a car - so thats hypocracy as well!

and I secretly work for Shell- 🤩

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811434#Comment_119811434

How do you make a turbine without fuel is this threads version of define a woman.

Pointless screed.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812297#Comment_119812297

You can't. You need fossil fuels to manufacture, transport and assemble the parts.

Definition of a woman is an adult female.

There is no need to over complicate many things. It leads to stagnation and missed opportunities of progression and improvement.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812313#Comment_119812313

Zzz

Nobody is making the argument that you can or need to make green tech without the precursor tech (carbon fuels) it’s a strawman argument.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812325#Comment_119812325

I was just answering the question. There is no argument to be had. Only reality

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812338#Comment_119812338

But keep circling back to demand the answer from people? 😶 This was for @cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811591#Comment_119811591

It's an obvious desperate 'gotcha' of some description.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812352#Comment_119812352

You are being rather lazy:

I said I am pro fossil fuels because there are no alternatives, to which your petrol head mate replied:

Im pretty sure You are just trolling and so I will probably leave you alone after this

"I'm pro fossil fuels because there are no alternatives"

how do you work this out?

I'm sure you have heard of the apocrophal wisdom of teaching someone to fish vs constantly feeding them, well I thought it would be educational for your mate to find the answers to the question himself, a far better learning experiance than asking others to supply an answer he would ignore anyway.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812432#Comment_119812432

Leave the knives out of it, I could see why someone would find it weird someone describes themselves as "pro fossil fuel." It's an awfully strange descriptor that to mind just makes one think of people who 'roll coal' etc. to prove how much they love transferring money to OPEC+

And not as a descriptor for pragmatism or the acknowledgement of the inescapable applications of fuel products, even in the production of green(er) energy tech.

mufflets2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119812432#Comment_119812432

You talking about me behind my back ?😅😵‍💫

you sneaky little devil 🤣😂

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119811275#Comment_119811275

The lack of self awareness of these protestors and their supporters is staggering.

Their intent in these stunts is to generate huge publicity for a cause which doesn’t need any more publicity.

You do realize that the problem has exacerbated despite whatever public awareness has existed over the last x number of years. And it will continue to do so until politicians recognize that unless they enact meaningful legislation, they will be out of office. That is likely to happen because the public will ultimately demand something is done about these protesters and hopefully, (but unfortunately not guaranteed, or even likely) their action will be to less to the science the protesters are pointing to.

The protesters need to disrupt people and have it appear on social media and TV and wherever, it's literally their motive.

Anyway, your post reminded me of this quote.