Leinster v Munster match thread

Clegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781398#Comment_119781398

It wasn't actually.

I've argued that Kleyn's actions were reckless at best, but he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt as he was in control of his actions. Those arguing against are ignoring what happened which we've seen on video.

Then you've come in to start a different argument on the back of that. Which happens frequently on this sub board.

clsmooth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781379#Comment_119781379

I think his best traits are suited to 15 where he has a little bit more space and time to attack. Can pick good lines, has the ability to glide through gaps and can step in as a second receiver. His best performance of the last year was against (an admittedly 14 man) Argentina last year. He started at 10 and didn’t exactly tear it up but moved to 15 for the last 30 and was excellent and walked away with the MOTM.

Unfortunately that ship has probably already sailed and I’m not sure he’d get to the level of Keenan and Lowry at this stage of his career after the last 5 years of injury and indifferent form.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781385#Comment_119781385

You're purposefully angling away from the actions of Jean Kleyn to criticise someone else and create an argument elsewhere.

You posted about the poor level of discourse here. I simply responded to that to demonstrate your hypocrisy by resorting to posting that exact type of stuff as well.

As for the Kleyn incident, I’ve already posted my thoughts on that, which you must have missed. Anyone claiming Osborne deliberately ran into him is talking nonsense. Equally anyone calling Kleyn a scumbag is also talking nonsense.

phily2002

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781421#Comment_119781421

No the reckless play was dropping the elbow, again not deliberate as was probably instinct but he catches him in the head. If he'd left his arms in the air then it's probably play on

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781321#Comment_119781321

I agree his arm came down, along with the rest of his body, gravity works that way.

I do not agree that he brough down his elbow to deliberately hurt Osbourne

I do agree that Osbourne should not have been there because he should have run around Kleyn

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781427#Comment_119781427

You said “utter utter scumbag stuff from Kleyn”. That’s entirely different from “reckless at best”.

cuttingtimber22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781373#Comment_119781373

I can agree with a lot of that in terms of the talent which is emerging but while POM and Beirne remain tour de forces, I think we will not see many more good days from Murray and Earls. Plus Connacht beat us two weeks ago.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781329#Comment_119781329

That is true

Clegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781436#Comment_119781436

But you're doing it yet again. I've been consistent in my view on this and you've decided to change it in a completely different direction. It was utter scumbag stuff. You're derailing things further which has been your MO for a long time now.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781350#Comment_119781350

None of those things were untrue

Homesick Alien

I do think this fixture should be moved back to the RDS. The atmosphere was dreadful tonight, felt like I was the only one in my section actually watching the match. The hum of conversations was all you could hear and I'd say a good 75% of those there were out for the night and this was background entertainment.

The other thing that needs to change is the ridiculous announcer who reacts to every Leinster substition like the most incredible thing that's ever happened in the Aviva and then childishly mutters anything relevant to the Munster team so that you can barely hear it. It's embarrassing.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781453#Comment_119781453

You called him scumbag.

And then complained about the level of discourse here.

I’m simply pointing that out. (Nor is that consistent)

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781465#Comment_119781465

How do you know it was part of the gameplan ? Are you a mind reader?

Maybe the Munster gameplan tonight was to deliberately injure leinster players given the YC that got handed out ....

Clegg

You're simply arguing in bad faith.

Clegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781466#Comment_119781466

I don't disagree that the atmosphere was poor. But there were 45,000 fans in the stadium tonight. Leinster and the IRFU won't move matches to the RDS unless they have to.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781475#Comment_119781475

I genuinely think some people don’t know what this means tbh.

Did call Kleyn a scumbag? Yes.

Did you complain about the level of discourse here? Yes.

You’re simply being hypocritical.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781473#Comment_119781473

Munsters gameplan definitely was to go out and hurt leinster players. Thats kind of how top level rugby works.

Not to 'deliberately injure' them' but to hurt them

Leinster have always wanted to hurt Munster players, they didn't care if munster players got injured in the process

Toner's side entry 'tackle' on Coombes was way outside the bounds of a legal tackle.

That's why I was so angry

Clegg

You're changing the entire argument again to something that wasn't being discussed before. Now you're throwing out accusations of hypocrisy, further muddying the waters.

Arguing in bad faith like you have for years bringing the level of discourse into the gutter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781466#Comment_119781466

They're never going to move the fixture back there when they're packing in 45k+ on nights like tonight, the majority of whom left happy as they saw Leinster pick up yet another relatively comfortable TBP win over Munster. Leinster have a fantastic record in the Aviva, and tonight would have been a huge financial success for them.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781487#Comment_119781487

Again, how do you know that? Are you a mind reader?

Knox swinging arm Into James Ryan's head, a player with previous concussion issues.... so by your logic knox deliberately targeted Ryan to injure him .....

Your full of sh1t

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781490#Comment_119781490

You're changing the entire argument again to something that wasn't being discussed before.

Wasn’t being discussed?? You were literally the poster who brought it up. 😂

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781505#Comment_119781505

If it was a swinging arm, it would have been a red card. It wasn't a swinging arm, it was on the borderline

Should we just not clear out Ryan because he's delicate?

Toner was not borderline, he was a mile in from the side, and drove into his standing leg.

Nobody will ever convince me that toner didn't do that on purpose

Did he want to injure Coombes? How can I know

Did he care? if Coombes got injured? If he did, he wouldn't have made that illegal tackle

Clegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781515#Comment_119781515

Except I wasn't. I've posted multiple times about Kleyn's actions. That it was an action of thuggery and scumbag behaviour. Reckless at best but undeserving of the benefit of the doubt. The video showed this yet multiple posters have attempted to explain this away which I'm not accepting of. That's not complaining about the level of discourse despite what you might think.

Then you've waded in, making accusations of hypocrisy and engaging in more bad faith arguments and things which were never in discussion until you brought them up.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781526#Comment_119781526

So yeah, you are a spoofer

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781539#Comment_119781539

Because?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781526#Comment_119781526

Just give it a rest will you? Borderline embarrassing stuff at this stage.

The "delicate" James Ryan (as you referred to him) was the best second row on the field tonight.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781532#Comment_119781532

Yep you posted about Kleyn’s actions.

And you called him a scumbag.

And then you complained about the level of discourse on here.

Ya, I think that’s hypocrisy.

At this point I’m just gonna leave it to others to draw their own conclusions…

Homesick Alien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781493#Comment_119781493

I agree it's unlikely but honestly how many of these happy fans even knew Leinster got a TBP in the end? I go to the Aviva because I'm a Munster fan living in Dublin but God it's shite. Not helped of course by Munster not bringing much to the table the last few years of this fixture.

Akrasia

I will give it a rest. The embarrassing thing is that this forum is the only place in the world where people think Kleyn should have been yellow carded for that collision

Clegg

Now you're talking about bringing others into an argument you made. One which wasn't in discussion until you decided it was. Taking into account no context.

And you're still claiming you don't argue in bad faith.