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Why should I care about Climate Change while China has 43 New Coal Fired Power Stations in the works

  • 16-10-2022 6:26pm
    Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red

    So this whole thing is a farce, 43 new Moneypoints in build or ready to go.

    At the same time we are winding down our coal generation.

    I am no climate change denier, I believe in the science, I believe in thew urgency.

    When I read reports like this it just makes me want to throw the dog **** in the recycling bin out of spite, what are we really doing

    I've about 30 years left on this rock, touch wood, rest of you are f*cked



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭joseywhales

    It's never too late to do the right thing? But seriously when the effects of climate change intensifies exponentially, you are better off have a diverse energy infrastructure than being dependant on fossil fuels. It will effect supply and extraction also. At some point we will reach peak climate disaster and it would be nice for whoever is left to be able to turn a light bulb on.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 78,847 ✭✭✭✭Overheal

    No it's a wild move and I'd love to unpack it but it's no reason to start buying Hummers and building new coal plants.

  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red

    Yes but we'd have a bit of fun on the way out the door instead of dragging it out another generation

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,537 ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh

    China is building in self protection as it transitions to a new future. A sensible approach. Don't discard the old before you create the new.

  • Registered Users Posts: 63,640 ✭✭✭✭unkel

    @Danzy - "Outside of North America and Europe no one is interested in climate change or mitigation of carbon."

    This is simply not true. While China building new coal fired power plants is bad news, it disregards the fact that China adds more hydro, more solar PV and more wind to the grid every year than the rest of the world combined.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22

    Exactly, and they have already stated in their plan that emissions will increase until 2025. After that the new technologies will come on stream and emissions will start to fall.They are expected to reach or exceed their emission reduction targets for 2030.

    The difference between them and say Ireland is that they have a practical real world plan, unlike Ireland's look good 'plan' which hasn't a hope of being achieved.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,567 ✭✭✭✭Danzy

    All that matters about carbon in this topic is the volume produced.

    China is by far the dominant carbon output producer and exponentially growing, Europe and North America are carbon minnows by comparison, our rapid declines only buy them a little extra time.

    Does it matter that they have so much renewables, their scale and commitment to the dirtiest of energies exceeds it.

    Climate change will be won or lost in Asia.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭dublin49

    i am thinking I would hedge my bets if I had a sea front property worth millions and sell up before the market gets ascare,once that Genie is out ....

  • Registered Users Posts: 63,640 ✭✭✭✭unkel

    @Danzy - "All that matters about carbon in this topic is the volume produced."

    That's a very simplistic view. China makes most of the stuff the rest of the world uses. Of course they will have a load of emissions. This is only going to increase as soon enough they will also make most of the world's cars, vans, buses and trucks (all electric). They are actively working to mitigate it though by deploying as much renewables as they possibly (economically) can. I bet they will be emissions neutral before many western countries are.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22

    Per capita the United States is the biggest producer of CO2, emitting more than 50% of the amount that China emits, despite being only around a quarter of China's size population wise.

  • Registered Users Posts: 63,640 ✭✭✭✭unkel

    @Danzy - "China produces more carbon than the entire developed world combined."

    Eh yes. And they make a lot more stuff than the entire developed world combined. If we in the developed world would make all that stuff, we would not be carbon neutral as quickly as China will be.

    As @Padre_Pio hints at, that's the benefit of having a progressive dictator instead of a lame democratic government like in Ireland. Energy crisis? Shure we'll play Santa Claus and we'll give you all €200 every few months so you will still be voting for us. Who cares that our children will face the bill. Not saying China is all good, of course I'm not. I'd rather live in a lame country like Ireland were human rights are protected. But let's not ignore the basic sums and facts here.

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