Scottish woman skips Spanish fine and gets caught on return.

whomitconcerns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63101715

She got drunk and disorderly in Spain got caught, fined, and skipped out without paying. Now she's been caught when she went back and been given a jail sentence, and is playing the victim card.

Says she didn't remember, but had 400€ in her bag just in case! People need to face their actions or understand there are repercussions...

What a clown!

Dr Turk Turkelton

Good to see Judges coming down hard on these third world immigrants coming into the European Union and not obeying our laws.

bad2thebone

Do the crime do the time.

laoisgem

Classy lady. Went out to identify her mothers remains and got pissed, got not only one but 2 fines, I'd love to know what they were for.

Donald Trump

She should at least be deported before the baby is born. We don't want more of them coming in and using anchor babies to get status

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058265696/scottish-woman-skips-spanish-fine-and-gets-caught-on-return

Wait until they start scanning passports next year….. Most of Europe have civil law, not common law, so speeding tickets etc happily continue their way through the courts in your absence collecting additional admin fees and penalties until the amount becomes so big it is a criminal matter and gets logged on the Schengen system….

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691308#Comment_119691308

They are not third world, they are third country…..

But there is one more little twist to come…. No more vista free travel for her, since she will be deported at the end of her stay, she’ll need a visa in future to travel to most places. She is going to become very familiar with the costa del back garden.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119691414#Comment_119691414

They are not third world .................... yet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/the-uk-should-be-worried-about-emerging-market-comparisons/2022/09/26/e7f58160-3d7d-11ed-8c6e-9386bd7cd826_story.html

Earlier article from early August!

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/britain-is-becoming-an-emerging-market-country-analyst-says.html

The only factor missing from a characterization as an emerging market country, Dembik said, is a currency crisis, with the British pound holding firm despite the litany of macroeconomic headwinds.

Jequ0n

I am really sad to see that she is worried about the health of her baby. It looks like she took excellent care of herself prior to her arrest.

I'm all in favour of if you do the crime, do the time, but in this case, I think the punishment does not fit the crime and is overly harsh.

She got drunk while grieving, her head was probably all over the place. She had the money to pay the fine, and offered to pay it.

In those circumstances, putting anyone in prison for non-payment is ridiculous, but putting a heavily pregnant woman in prison for non-payment is especially ridiculous.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697229#Comment_119697229

I hate to break it to you, but everyone comes up with a sob story when caught. How is this any different to other crimes? She had plenty of time to sort out her **** but decided to chance her arm, so tough luck.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697229#Comment_119697229

That she had the money to pay it makes it worse. She could have just paid it when it was levied rather than skipping the country and thinking she'd get away with it when she went back on her holliers later

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697327#Comment_119697327

The difference is the severity of the punishment.

I never said she shouldn't have to pay the fine in full, but her "crime" does not warrant a 4 month custodial sentence.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697409#Comment_119697409

Non- payment of a fine always results in a more severe punishment than the fine itself, culminating in custody. It has to be this way, if you think about it; otherwise no-one would ever pay a fine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697500#Comment_119697500

I still say a 4 month custodial sentence for such a small fine is ridiculous, especially once she offered to pay. It would cost more than that to keep her in jail for a few days.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697559#Comment_119697559

Nope. It's great.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697559#Comment_119697559

She admitted that she only brought the money in case she got caught. The woman is an idiot.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697575#Comment_119697575

That's not really up for debate.

She may be an idiot - it still doesn't warrant a four month custodial sentence for a €400 fine.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697559#Comment_119697559

She had her chance to pay it, and she deliberately fled the jurisdiction instead of doing so. Turning up later and hoping that in the event that they call her out in it she’ll be just able to say “Lol, you got me! Here’s the cash.” was never going to work. I bet when she was given the fine she was told what the penalty for non-payment was.

Justice systems don’t work on a basis of cost efficiency: their primary goal is to moderate and influence behaviour in favour of lawfulness. The financial cost of doing that is less than the societal cost of not.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697624#Comment_119697624

Agreed. It should be at least six months.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697624#Comment_119697624

That was her choice. She decided it did

Sweet Talkin Romeo

delighted for her !

i know if i fecked up abroad, there's dozens of other countries i'd go back to before i'd even consider revisiting the ''scene of..." 🤣

surely she's seen 'Banged Up Abroad' on the telly 😏

Kurooi

Classic

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697624#Comment_119697624

It's not about her. The Spanish would like Anglo-trash to behave themselves better when visiting Spain. With good reason, from what I can see. The fine, and jail sentence which followed choosing not to pay it, are a deterrent for other similar people. It's not all about her.

Grieving may be an excuse for drunken larrikinism in Ireland, but that doesn't hold in most part of the world.

And as for it being wrong to imprison a heavily pregnant woman: She managed to travel while heavily pregnant, I'm sure she'll cope. She's in a country with an excellent health system, and living in a controlled environment. It's likely that her health for the last part of the pregnancy will be better managed in prison that it would be if she was free-range on a holiday resort.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697624#Comment_119697624

the sentence isnt really for the original offence though, its for not complying the proceeding that were brought about by her original offence

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697779#Comment_119697779

She travelled on 19th August and her baby is due on 28th November. Plenty of women travel at just over 5 and a half months pregnant, as she was at the time.

Sweet Talkin Romeo

whatever she did, it was probably a lot worse than jaywalking,,,

remember Uncle Albert - La Policia had him in the klink for a while, but he was let go after Del Boy paid a fine 😃 although Del thought it was much worse than crossing street w/o looking

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697229#Comment_119697229

The prison sentence isn't for the original offense though, it's for non payment of the fine. I will agree though, that if what she said is correct, about spending weeks in a cell where the toilet is a hole and the bed was foam on the floor, that seems harsh. Prisons should be able to adapt to the physical needs of their inmates and a pregnant woman needs sanitary and comfortable conditions. Nothing fancy, just a standard bed and toilet facilities should be the minimum provided.

Hotblack Desiato

Meh. I've seen the inside of a Garda cell (on an open day!) and the toilet is a "hole in the ground". It's not really a hole though, but a squat toilet - used to be very common in public toilets in Europe and I'm sure there are still plenty around outside of incarceration facilities. In many parts of the world they are more common than sitting toilets. Big deal. Until recently most prisoners in Ireland were shítting into buckets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squat_toilet

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119697575#Comment_119697575

She only brought enough money for one of the fines because...