Entitlements

1. If your a co habiting couple with a stay at home mother of one child and the male partner gets 65,000 gross pay. Can the cohab women claim anything from the social welfare for her self.

2. If separated what is the women entited to of they live apart but the man pays the mortgage and bills.

3. What constitutes seperated??

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058265261/entitlements

Hi

1. No. There’s no SW payment for this couple. They have income of around €1000 per week so they have no need of assistance and unless she was working in 2020 and for a number of years before that and is now looking for available for and fit for full time work then she has no entitlement to any Benefit.
2. If they were to separate and he or she left the family home, and she were living on her own with the child then she could apply for One Parent Family after 3 months (if they are married, immediately on separation if they aren’t married). OPFP is means tested and if he continues to pay the mortgage/rent and bills then a certain amount of that will be disregarded in the means assessment.
3. A SW inspector will come to the family home unannounced at some stage in the application process to make a report about what he or she found at the family home in regard to how many people were living there and who, and to ask for evidence of income, bank accounts evidence of mortgage etc. If the parent claims that they are living separate lives while living in the same house this will be investigated thoroughly and is unlikely to be approved.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119677654#Comment_119677654

Can seperated couple that have a child together live together and sleep in seperate rooms?? Given that places to rent are few and far between and council housing waiting list are a mile long.

Can the ex partner that is cohabiting with her ex Male partner in a non sexual relationship in the middle of a housing crises claim any social benefits??

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678156#Comment_119678156

The answer to both those questions is no.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678437#Comment_119678437

The One-Parent Family Payment is a means-tested payment which is made to men or women who are caring for a child or children without the support of a partner and who are not cohabiting with a spouse or partner.

The term ‘cohabitant’ is defined in the Social Welfare code in accordance with Section 172 (1) of the Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act, 2010

‘For the purposes of this Part, a cohabitant is one of 2 adults (whether of the same or the opposite sex) who live together as a couple in an intimate and committed relationship and who are not related to each other within the prohibited degrees of relationship or married to each other or civil partners of each other.’

''intimate and committed relationship''

This would say the answer is yes, as they are not in a intimate or mitted relation anymore..

Pissy Missy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058265261/entitlements

You trying to play the system here?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678564#Comment_119678564

No to that. Yes to following the text. If you are abiding by the guideline/rules that are in place is that playing the system?.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678560#Comment_119678560

Yes and the SW inspector will visit the house to investigate the claim, compile a report which will be given to a DO and a decision will be made.

In my 18 years of experience in these matters a young couple with a baby claiming to be separated and still co habiting have never had a successful claim for OPFP.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678935#Comment_119678935

I could count 5 off the top of my head that i know have been doing it the last 10 years. Every council estate in Munster has people doing it. If your in denial your naive.

TuamJ

Time to man up now. No sign of any breakup in your previous threads.

Do people fiddle the system - yes. Is that the example you want to send to your son/daughter? Daddy said he and mammy were split up and set up the house so it looked like they were in different rooms and the family had broken up. All the while bringing in 65K? Terrible example imo and no need with that kind of money coming in.

Sounds a lot like you want your partner to stay home and you want to fiddle the system just like you see other couples fiddling it. Leave behind the welfare mentality and lead by example. You're having a child, you're going to take pride in providing, you're going to live in peace without any dodging about wondering if every knock is a welfare inspector or every brown envelope is the one that's hauling you in for a meeting - and you are not going to deny your relationship with the mother of your child for a handout from the government. You obviously work hard to earn 65K in Munster. Providing a peaceful home for your new family is the fruit of your labour.

Do not get sucked into a system that will see you reported and hauled to a welfare office - handing over your bank statements, payslips, dignity, and pride while convincing some pencil pusher that your partner is but a roommate before another one comes out, snoops around your house and you deny each other in front of your child for a few measly euro. You get up and go to work to make sure no pr1ck can hassle you and your family like this.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678560#Comment_119678560

The answer is no. There is a lot more to what DSP consider cohabitation than just an "intimate and committed relationship"

Even if you are no longer in a relationship with each other, you can still be considered as cohabitating - see gov.ie - Cohabitation (www.gov.ie).

I've never heard of a case of OPFP approved in the circumstances you describe. My guess is those you know doing it "of the top of your head" are claiming fraudulently and not declaring that the ex partner/spouse is still living at the same address.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119702740#Comment_119702740

For sure they are doing it fraudulently for years. The very policy makers of this country that make up the rules are the very ones that claim expenses they are not entitled to same thing.

Corruption case=Bertie Ahern, the former prime minister of Ireland, has resigned from his political party in the wake of a corruption inquiry.

Ahern was on the brink of being thrown out of the party he led to three successive general election victories after the inquiry, known as the Mahon tribunal, found money from supporters had been deposited in his bank account.

The banks were bailed out by the government and the bankers walked away scot free with a blank check of a bonus while the tax payer picked up the pieces. People are not going to abide by any rules when billions in debt was written off by the government and repaid by tax payers and you expect someone claiming OPFP fraudulently to be honest.

MV33

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119702780#Comment_119702780

Are you claiming Child Welfare payments?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119702780#Comment_119702780

Your original question was:

1. If your a co habiting couple with a stay at home mother of one child and the male partner gets 65,000 gross pay. Can the cohab women claim anything from the social welfare for her self.

The answer is no. I assumed you weren't asking how to defraud the State.

Maybe you should have phrased your original question as:

1. If your a co habiting couple with a stay at home mother parent of one child and the male the other partner gets 65,000 gross pay. Can the cohab women stay at home parent claim anything legitimately from the social welfare for her self themselves.

(The answer is still no.)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119703454#Comment_119703454

What if they were to marry. what are they entitled to

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716193#Comment_119716193

Share their tax credits. That’s it.

YellowLead

I’m afraid the only way to secure additional income is for your partner to get a job. If that’s not feasible then you have to manage with what you have like everybody else. What you have isn’t the worst income for living in Munster and only one child, you mightn’t have fancy holidays but you won’t be stuck for food.

People think when they fraudulently claim welfare payments they are scamming ‘the system’ but it’s ordinary decent people they are stealing from - that money should be going to those who need it and back into shared benefits for all.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119716338#Comment_119716338

Am I correct in saying that social welfare treat an un married couple as a couple in regards to entitlements to benefits.

And Revenue treat an unmarried couple as single and are not able to avail of the the tax credit benefit.

Both state agencies. looks like unmarried couples are getting screw both ways.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119719513#Comment_119719513

If your living together wether your married or not, you can claim benefits and allowances from DSP in respect of your partner and children.

For revenue, you can only claim your partners tax credits if your legally married.