Reference from a job you were fired from?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678338#Comment_119678338

I started work in public service in 1970s, originally way over-staffed as a means to “solving” unemployment crisis. Retired early in recently years. Children of friends have had to jump through hoops and medical etc to be one public servants, no chance of sleeping with the boss to get in 😂

Way way back it used to be who you knew

Then became What you knew

Now again is Who you know.

The DayDream

I'm pretty sure they would be okay to give the standard boilerplate reference, I don't think I burned any bridges. I just wasn't sure if it was something that was done or how you got around it if it wasn't.

Still though, the thought of having to approach or contact anyone from a place that caused me so much stress and put me through a lot of crap before canning me really makes my stomach turn.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678462#Comment_119678462

Then do it quickly and get it over with, like pulling off a plaster.

The DayDream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678420#Comment_119678420

I agree. If everyone was happy with their jobs and there was never any problems then where would new applicants come from? It doesn't always take insubordination, gross misconduct or missing work for a place to force you out, they can do it if they just don't like you, you don't fit into the clique. In those cases it just means they have to be more clever about it to make it look like you're incompetent or unsuitable to cover themselves.

That's crazy that a landlord feels the need/has the right to talk to a boss of a place you don't even work at any more. That has very little relevance to you as a current/prospective tenant. It's a joke how much power we allow these people to have over the lives of others - there is nothing other than owning enough capital/property stopping someone being a boss or landlord yet there is no checks required for them. Last landlord I had didn't put any insulation into our 'recently refurbished' rental and only till I climbed into the attic did I discover why the place was freezing even with the heat on. Could have done with a reference on that buck!

Would they not be sort of required to give a reference of statement “x worked here from y to z”.

That kind of reference, though, is not an endorsement.

I know what toxic work environments are, I stuck in an appalling state of bullying, including having had my arms held down and another point my phone wrestled out out my hands and thrown down by boss. It was deemed “nothing happened”. Public service. Retired early after heart attack on premises directly related to bullying.

Even if you have to change career get out of a toxic work situation, it could literally kill you.

Mrs OBumble

Would they not be sort of required to give a reference of statement “x worked here from y to z”.

Nope. There is no requirement to give references, or even statements of service like the above.

Richard Hillman

As for a statement of employment, listing your job title and time you worked there.

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678425#Comment_119678425

More often than not they are doing it to have one over a superior, or to at the least garner a serious ally when it comes to promotion and/or pay rises. The types of colleagues that get involved are technically not colleagues at all. Once they have first hand carnal knowledge of anyone within the power scheme of your work dynamic they can start getting away with everything, whilst doing as little as possible.

They sit on important meeting groups smiling, flirting and agreeing with everyone. They are kept in the loop with erroneous inconsequential projects. Once you have the eye for these types you can spot them a mile away.

Be very careful with them, they are extremely two faced and if they consider you a threat your job is history, remember they literally have the boss by the balls , if they do not like you they can make your job very difficult for you to endure. Don't get cute with them, they literally will annihilate you, they are extremely power hungry and don't care what it takes. They play serious games underneath the charm.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678462#Comment_119678462

Just contact HR and ask for a letter confirming your employment dates, they have to give you that. I work for a large company and that's all anyone who leaves gets regardless of why they leave.

A written reference is useless as companies either just give worked from x to y date or lie.

Red Silurian

The thing about references from former employers is that the former employer needs to prove everything that is said in a reference, most interviewers will give feedback these days so your former company need to be very careful what they say

If, for example, an interviewer called up your former boss and made up reasons for why you were let go, constantly late, always on Facebook, murdered somebody in the office, your interviewer could legally tell you this as part of feedback. You could then make a claim against your former employer for slander.

The best solution, as mentioned before is your HR dept to write a 1 liner with start date, end date, maybe include the number of days missed due to illness (0 is a good figure)

Also, finally, best of luck on your future job hunt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678462#Comment_119678462

Just go through the HR department. They do it all the time. Most modern HR departments will only give the X worked here from a to b. In the US thats all they do, because anything more can open them up to litigation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119678492#Comment_119678492

In the scenario you speak of the company would need to be careful not to have a case of constructive dismissal on their hands. But I suppose they might circumvent that by changing the job title and saying the former employee’s particular role wasn’t needed any more and subsequent role required a different skill set.

I’m not saying this about OP, but there are incompetent &/or lazy people who would deserve to be removed from their role, and in a “permanent” position they can be hard to get rid of. I’ve been stuck working with a few of these in my time.