Budget 2023

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/09/26/budget-2023-what-cost-of-living-measures-can-we-expect/

Widening of the tax band and help for renters and bills are the main items by the looks of it.

How will this year's budget affect you?

It's amazing that the people at the very bottom, who often deliberately don't look for jobs for years and who scam the system, are being rewarded - as always, yet again.

Amazing. And vile.

Kermit.de.frog

The welfare increase will only lead to more people, who are in the lower skilled job market, concluding correctly in the round that the scratcher either pays better than work or they'll have a better lifestyle on it.

Who could blame them? It's the system to blame.

Murph85

Long term wasters getting a bigger weekly increase, than those on 30k will be getting in a tax deduction. Vintage ffg! Fg dont look after the early risers, they look after those that dont rise until afternoon!

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058265017/budget-2023

i cant afford the sub to that petty bourgeois paper so I don't get to see how much I'm going to get.

Judging by the comments here so far - very little...

Oh well, - guess I should just work a little harder to pay for the layabouts. My bad.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668899#Comment_119668899

Agree completely, loads of jobs out there at the moment.

But it would be political suicide not to increase it

astrofool

Which item will the one that misses the target? I'd usually bet on something like disability/carer allowance, but that looks handled this year.

I see unemployment benefit is been increased by 13 euro

It would be nice to see the cost be the same but the recently unemployed get 20 and the long term something like 5 (minus the cost of having to handle the administration costs for the difference) and have the gap widen each budget day.

JP Liz V1

25 per cent reduction in childcare costs has been agreed for 2023 

Renters to get €1,000 tax breaks over two years

Businesses in line for payments of up to €10,000 a month to help them with energy bills

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668953#Comment_119668953

Jeez they will not do much on €20 a week. Hope the recently unemployed have plenty of savings because if that's all you would give them they would be homeless next.

igCorcaigh

The widening of the tax bands always gives more money to those that earn above. I would have liked the lower earners to be relieved of some of the regressive USC.

Geuze

USC is progressive, as the rates rise with income.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668867#Comment_119668867

It's amazing that people like you have nothing better to do but attack the less well off. If your not happy in your work then why don't you go on the the dole see how you do.

In case you have not noticed the price of everything has gone up ao its only right it should go up and that money will go back to the Government again anyway.

Stop moaning like an old Woman and live your life how you want. Let others figure out there's.

straight

It's about time the higher rate taxpayers got a break.....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669018#Comment_119669018

Well said, a lot of apathy in here. I still remember trying to live off €188 back during the crash. Those were a hard 18 months for me back then but nothing I imagine compared to now for someone on welfare and renting and paying utilities etc. my medical card back then didn't heat the house or put food on the table.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669007#Comment_119669007

they should really change the name so, or get rid of it altogether, and just roll it in with some other tax

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668987#Comment_119668987

I think you misread or (hopefully) being sarcastic somehow.

DataDude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119668990#Comment_119668990

Someone earning €50k pays 7 times as much USC as someone earning €20k.

Someone earning €200k pays 60 times as much USC as someone earning €20k.

It can’t be avoided through pension contributions and share schemes etc.

It’s the complete opposite of a regressive tax.

893bet

How is the 25 percent reduction in child care going to be implemented?

hotmail.com

Tax cuts and large spending.

Disaster ahead.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669018#Comment_119669018

If we all went on the dole who would pay for the dole??

Some of us realise someone has to keep the lights on.

Be nice to be acknowledged every once in a while.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669087#Comment_119669087

Someone on welfare now has their rent and utilities paid for by the tax payer.

Next………

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669160#Comment_119669160

Yeah life is a box of chocolates I bet these days on HAP and fuel allowance 😅

And if you are in a house share you might not qualify for some of those.

NinjaTruncs

So social welfare recipients will get €12 a week, those in the top tax bracket will get about €12 week, but what for the people working earning less than €36,000, I haven't seen any leaks for that demographic, are they being left out?

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669165#Comment_119669165

Curious myself...on €37,000 and wondering what I'm getting

hotmail.com

A budget for the rich and the poor?

hotmail.com

Giving more people free GP access should be interesting.

As per usual the GPs will be up in arms about it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669179#Comment_119669179

They get what as it stands 3k a year per patient whether they see them or not on the card scheme? Those who get saddled with an older or very young demographic who are in more often might not be happy.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669184#Comment_119669184

After the fortune they made over Covid, I don't think the public will tolerate their nonsense.

jaffa20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669165#Comment_119669165

`Yes, exactly... the lower paid. I'm wondering the same. Nothing in leaks anyway

Swaine

The wasters looked after as usual, a few scraps to the folk who get up and do a days work. No wonder half of Ukraine want to come here.

As someone who pays €350 a week in tax, it would be nice to get something back for once.

I foresee issues with the childcare stuff. Outside of the ECCE and other government schemes, what’s to stop the private providers increasing the rates when they see subsidies being thrown around by government. Throwing money like this just kicks the can down the road til the next year and so on. No easy fix, but in time I’d like to see the crèche and early education scheme become part of our state education programme, a level below primary but state provided. (Won’t happen as certain crèche chains are coining it in state money while paying low skilled workers a pittance).

Interesting to see how the doctors react to the gp card. My own local surgery only start seeing general patients in April as the phone and video “consultations” were a little too liked. They certainly weren’t too busy..

newmember2

Is there talk of an eviction ban for the winter?

Tonesjones

I don't think we get anything.

The funny thing is the 30% rate was recommended not to be implemented as it only gave something to a certain percentage of workers while leaving others out.

If I work half a week I make more than most on welfare.

im barely managing despite that, so I can’t fathom how hard they’re having it. It’s funny how much people say the welfare life is so easy yet continue to go to work.

i promise you it’s not because you’re not “lazy” or similar, it’s because you know being on fcuk all money is not the dream you make it out to be.

cant even say I’m surprised to see that sort of craic, I’m surprised it took a few posts to get there, though.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669272#Comment_119669272

You’re one of many who wouldn’t try find all the goodies and extras you can earn if you’re clever.

In this country it gets you nowhere being honest.

If you don’t believe me just start looking at the top…..

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669279#Comment_119669279

So the usual not just welfare. If it was just walfre everyone would be doing it. No it's cash in hand clim dole go out on the rob or whatever. Well and the 12 kids watching JK all day drinking cans outside the bookies. While having sky tv and going on holidays 3 times a year.

jill_valentine

Supports for the less well off don't generally bother me and tbh I hate how much time and energy is spent arguing over it.

One thing I am concerned about though is how the GP card expansion will affect access to GPs overall. I don't have a medical card and already cannot get registered with a GP full stop as it is, at all. They all seem to have disappeared into bunkers during Covid. It's already something I worry about, and I don't see how this is remotely feasible to implement in real life.

The budget is like a Bertie giveaway budget by the sounds of it!

malinheader

Time to seriously consider signing on and working a few shifts on the side.

Low and Middle earners getting sweet FA again.

No wonder Hospitality and construction to name a few cannot get workers.

Dyr

Usual FF budget, free stuff for freeloaders, **** all for people who work

At some point the taxpayer might figure out that they're being rode to give political parties a goodie bag for buying votes rather than to pay for services

You get the government you deserve and we get gobshites because thats what we are

Quantum Erasure

Roll on the next election...

It must be one of the biggest giveaway budgets of all time. Most people should get something I'd hope.

Childcare reduction will be the biggest deal for a lot of people I'd imagine. It's long overdue.

Widening the tax bands is also long overdue.

Electricity credits, and college fee reductions also massive savings. Free school books too for national school.

Where are they getting all the money? Kicking the debt down the road probably.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669371#Comment_119669371

child care will be eaten by energy prices or that's the excuse that will come up.

Making the tax larger base will probably lead to a contraction in consumer spending.

Where are they getting the money from ? the magic money tree they say does not exist.

The DayDream

I just lost my job and was on practically minimum wage and had to apply for the dole. If you think an extra 12 euro a week has me thinking I'm on the gravy train instead of being seriously worried about how I'll pay for heat and my electric bill (last one was 70% higher) then you are seriously deluded.

I'll never understand people giving out about people on the dole. It's literally impossible to live off (I won't qualify for rent or fuel allowance btw)

I was on less than 500 a week in my job and it would never occur to me to begrudge those on the social (maybe because I've been on it before). Then there's people on here with good waged jobs giving out about it during insane inflation on things like heat and electricity. It's actually disgusting, and I'm glad I only have to read it on the internet and not interact with such black holes masquerading as people in real life.

Cop on to yourselves and be grateful for what you have. Not a peep out of you when the TDs gave themselves a pay rise during the pandemic and it was a lot more than 12 euro a week. They got a 4 figure lump sum, too. For doing a horrible job, failing on so many fronts.

The one thing about being unemployed now is there are plenty of jobs out there. Good luck, hope you're not too long out of work.

touts

Free childcare and free primary school books for those with young children. Slashing third level fees for those in University.

A firm "F*ck you pay me" to those with children secondary school even though our costs are multiples of what primary school costs are.

As a middle earner with kids in secondary school yet again I 'm getting nothing in this so called give away budget. A small decrease in PAYE that will be gone in the first electricity bill. Meanwhile it's free books, uni fees, childcare, fuel allowance, GP visits, pensions etc etc etc for everyone else. I should vote for another party but who? Sinn Fein PBP will just take even more off me and give it to their welfare class core voters. I'll be lucky if those Trotskyist bastards don't take my house off me and give it to some welfare gouger who never worked a day in their life but joined PBP as a protest enforcer for something to do on a Saturday afternoon a few years ago.

We need a new party who represents the hard working middle.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669479#Comment_119669479

People in mid 20ks to 37000 got nothing.

You got a tax cut.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669191#Comment_119669191

I agree I am not anti welfare, but regardless of wage (and where possible), workers should always see a larger increase then welfare. Especially at the lower end.

We need to makes the gap between workers and those choosing not to work long term bigger.

MayoSalmon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119669272#Comment_119669272

People/humans need a purpose in life hence why they go to work. Living on welfare is "easy" and its a lifestyle for many in this country..

Cluedo Monopoly

The corporation tax budget.

Ham_Sandwich

A good start but this is just to buy votes for the next election Sinn Fein will look after poeople properly