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LOI vs GAA intercounty as a spectator experience

  • 22-09-2022 9:43pm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

    For those that regularly attend both (maybe a small Venn diagram area), what do they rate as a better all round experience?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

    One observation from a LOI non attender but recent convert- there’s more limbs and moments of “lose yourself” joy in LOI.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭Barnaboy

    I'd say that's a feature of football. Goals are usually relatively rare events over 90 minutes. GAA, basketball etc there is a constant stream of scores harder to get overly excited, except at critical moments at end of the game.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

    That’s a factor alright but how many moments for Dublin or Kerry over the past decade had all out limbs? A couple but Dublin were winning all irelands with a muted response sometimes. As for my own county Kildare; it’s largely a entirely muted, often miserable experience for entire seasons sometimes consecutive seasons.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,879 ✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland

    To be fair, ADP, the violence that occurred before that cup final was by Bohs fans. I wouldn’t expect any crowd “trouble” before, or after, a game involving any LoI clubs bar Shamrock Rovers or Bohemians.

    Both of those sides seem to “ape” the hooligan type of behaviour that went on in England during the 80’s. They even sing their songs with an English accent.

    I can’t remember the last time I heard of any violence occurring at a game involving any other club. The fact that both Rovers and Bohs have had their supporter numbers bolstered by a large number of ex-Manchester United “fans” has only increased the level of English-style support.

    This could well change should United stop being so bad. Those ex-United fans could, just as easily, go back to supporting Man U from the pub should that club’s fortunes change dramatically. Unfortunate, this would mean fewer numbers attending LoI games. Fingers crossed these fickle, “fair weather”, ex-United fans stick with their new clubs but I’d have my doubts.

    The tide is turning…

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭WesternZulu

    I've gone to both LOI and GAA games but I have to say on a whole the GAA is a lot better experience.

    That's not a slight against the LOI by the way. I've gone to Old Trafford, La Liga, and been to the Aviva to support Ireland many times but never enjoyed them as much as a good gaelic football match. I'm saying this as a massive soccer fan but the sport does loose its gloss a small bit when you see it live and there aren't a million different angles to watch a slow motion replay and it's stripped back.

    I've been to many GAA games and come out feeling like it was an unbelievable experience that couldn't possibly translate to watching it on TV whereas I have yet to feel like that attending a soccer game unfortunately.

    There are also a lot more women and children at GAA games which I think makes for a more family atmosphere but that's not to say there aren't some undesirables who attend those games too.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

    Are you sure you’re not designating something as English football culture that’s just football culture?

    i guess it’s a question if Italy, France, Brazil etc all take their lead from supporter culture in England.

  • Registered Users Posts: 432 ✭✭BaywatchHQ

    I have never attended Irish soccer and never intend to. I probably won't ever attend another soccer game in my life unless I just happened to want to visit the stadium.

    GAA has its bad points too, there is a lot of gate keeping involved when there is a game that has a shortage of tickets. The club GAA people feel bitter towards casual county fans.

    Another thing with big GAA games is the buses of rowdy youths that come. For example I was insulted for no reason outside Croke Park this year by a group of loud mouthed girls. I was just walking minding my own business and this girl shouted "he is sexy isn't he" and all the girls laughed. I am a fat unattractive man so obviously they were trying to degrade me. It is funny that the GAA slogan is "where we all belong", maybe they should change that to "where we all belong, unless you don't look like the typical GAA fan".

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭kksaints

    I'm the opposite, I much prefer when the crowds are separated. It creates a much louder atmosphere as its far easy for chants to start and for tifos to be created and you don't have to deal with any potential obnoxious or patronising fans of the opposition inside the ground.

    As to the question at hand LOI atmosphere definitely nearly all the time. Much louder, much wittier, more passionate and if the fan groups do displays more colourful. The FAI Cup final is pound for pound the best atmosphere and best value event in Irish sport yearly bar the occasional Ireland International. I've been to a few All-Ireland Finals and apart from the parade before the match it was fairly quiet during the match. One thing with regards to GAA atmosphere they're usually fairly quiet for the first half but they do pick up for the second half if the match is anyway competitive.

    I will add one caveat to the above in that it does depend slightly on what teams you go to. There won't be much of an atmosphere at a division 4 GAA match or a UCD or a Athlone Town LOI match.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

    One of my abiding memories of the times I used to bother with intercounty GAA was the amount of casuals in Croke park whose knowledge of the game wouldn’t fill the back of a stamp. It wasn’t really a problem outside croke park but an awful lot of those in Croker hadn’t a breeze, just there for the day out.

    the more general problem with intercounty is that Dublin and Kerry are far better than everyone else and that isn’t going to change, 80% of counties are making up the numbers, just cannon fodder.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭WesternZulu

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,462 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha

    The segregation thing in football definitely isnt English culture exported, it is needed abroad in most instances. Years back was at a Rio derby in the Maracana between Flamengo and Botofago which are both suburbs of Rio just a few kilometers apart. But they hate each other with a vengence to the point violence is a very real possibility and at a minimum there'll be a ruck with fans and the police at half time while they wait for the second half. At the match all the Flamego fans I went in with were all in plain clothes, then when they get into their section in the stadium their football jerseys come out of their pockets and they throw them on- they cant risk wearing a jersey on the way to the game in case something kicks off. A lot of Rio football rivalries are underpinned by rival favelas and their drugs gangs fighting between them for territory so its its on a whole different level to anything you would ever see in England.

    Have seen similar situations between Boca and River Plate in Buenos Aires and at AC Milan was on the Curva Nord terrace and it is full of outright neo nazis complete with SS tattoos who would start a fight with opposing fans just for looking at them.

    England is tame in comparison.I go to a Spurs game most seasons as a mate has season tickets there and afterwards in his local it is 50-50 Spurs Arsenal supporters there most of who work together, live near each other and some are related, etc. Never any problems. Remember being on a bus from Anfield when 10 Arsenall supporters were on it, thought there might be trouble but there was nothing but slagging between them and the scousers, all good natured stuff and handshakes all around.

    I kind of like the segregation thing in football, its what gives the atmosphere its edge. But obviously some groups take that way too far and into violence.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk

    Love going to Bohs games, the bars beforehand and great atmosphere in the stand. I know a couple of people who've been going for decades and I always see them there and have a beer. There's a nice community feel about Bohemians and my folks are from the Phibsboro area so always felt connected. GAA never did it for me, and haven't been to a game since I was a child in the 80s.

    In London now I've been see Fulham more than any other team due to ticket availability, not this season though. Been to Millwall which was great, and a few other clubs around. My closest club now is West Ham over in Stratford but never had any interest in that team. Would like to go to Spurs and Chelsea before I move home next year. I will miss having all this football on my doorstep.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition

    The LOI can be v enjoyable to watch, but some of it can be very boring with so few scores. You tend to have a few more yahoos following soccer too, loud and senseless types, although that is very much a minority.

    GAA championship hurling would be light years ahead of the LOI, but early in the year the gap would be smaller.

    So for me the GAA is a good bit better, especially hurling, but LOI definitely worth going to also.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭Schwiiing

    GAA will always be better than LOI. Intercounty is the best you can get in GAA terms, LOI is barely even pro level in football terms. Having said that I'd still rather be around LOI fans than GAA fans given the GAA fans general backward, insular and inbred nature and their strangle hold on rural life even down to getting to choose who can have certain jobs in even the smallest companies at the lowest level. Speaking from experience.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭pgj2015

    These kind of hillbillies make me cringe at the GAA to be honest. "Theres the team, go on Tipp" ffs and too tight to buy food in Dublin, have to bring sandwiches, they would probably prefer to spend their money on cattle feed than treat themselves to a nice meal in Dublin. lol

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,630 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox

    Tbh the GAA is a much better spectacle on the whole. Far more action in an average game compared to a soccer match. I watch both, but only attend gaa games as I really dislike the soccer fan vibe and don't support any team (bar ireland) as I've no connection to any of them.

    Tbh club football is a lot more entertaining, it's far more unpredictable and games are more competitive, a lot more chance of an upset etc. Intercounty has become too predictable for the most part - rare to see an upset at intercounty level these days

    The attraction of LOI seems to be the singing at other fans? If the game on the pitch isn't interesting enough and you are depending on funny chants for entertainment then it's not the sport for me. Point taken about the easy scores in hurling, I'd still take it over the 2 or 3 scores you would be lucky to see in a soccer match though

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭pgj2015

    They had to find people who eat sandwiches for the advert though. And that was as good as they could make them red necks look lol. Also I said they wouldn't get something nice to eat, not some crap they could buy in Spar.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk

    they're lost when they get to Dublin for a match, they would struggle trying to order food with all the quare foreign ingredients we have in Dublin. Ham and butter and white bread made at home is about all they can handle.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Did you smash it

    The LOI seems to be going somewhere once they get stadiums improved (which is easier said to done)

    intercounty football is just going nowhere as it’s been established Kerry and Dublin are far better than everyone else (established for more than half a century), so they just twiddle around with the rules and moan about too much hand passing while ignoring the real problem…

    Which is..

    The entire sport has already been won by Kerry and Dublin and there is no prospect of that changing. Fair play to them but yawn.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump

    You missed your chance. The young wans from the country love fat unattractive men. You could have banged the whole busload of them if you had been on the ball. I think your issues in that area and many posts on the topic stem from not realising all these missed opportunities

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,417 ✭✭✭Gusser09

    Gaelic football amd LOI association football are cut from the same cloth.

    Nothing compares to hurling.