carpenter dublin 2 advice

riclad

I just wonder which website should i use re carpenter, eg I need a carpenter to do a hours work in the next 2 days ,fit a door ,take down old door, basic work ,or should i just google carpenter dublin ,local services

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264446/carpenter-dublin-2-advice

Doors are Joinery not Carpentry

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653012#Comment_119653012

He needs someone to do carpentry work on a door, not make the door, so I'd imagine carpenter is accurate.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058264446/carpenter-dublin-2-advice

You'll generally pay for the job, not "an hours work".

riclad

Yes I sent info to 3 carpenters using app. 2 said id need to go to the house. To give you a quote even though I sent em 3 photos. Location adress. Eg remove old door. 8x4 ft. Fit install new door 8x4 ,not rocket science new door has hinges in the same place

Carpenter no 3 I spoke to on the phone. He was nice and polite

He said ill send you quote tommorow. By txt. eg today

Radio silence. No txt no quote

From what I can gather carpenters charge. Approx 300 euro an hour assuming you provide. All the materials

ted1

The job is too small. Add travel etc. and they are not bothered.

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653062#Comment_119653062

Totally incorrect. Carpentry and Joinery are two distinct Trades.

The only similarity is that an Irish Craftsperson of that trade would be a Qualified Carpenter & Joiner Craftsperson.

Doors and door frames and architrave are Joinery.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659251#Comment_119659251

Joiner makes.

Carpenter fits.

Op needs to retain find a 2nd fix carpenter, doesn't need to be chartered.

If there's any building work going on around, call in, they might help.

riclad

The work i need could be done by a 1st year 18 year old fas trainee i could be bothered asking to see certs,degrees etc i can do it all myself but i only have a few tools, i dont care ,no sarcasm intended, if he, she has a cert from the london guild of ye old mariners and is a elite esteemed member of the The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club

theres a polish bloke nearby on a building site he charges 100 euro for 15 minutes work, no receipts, cash only .

i presume a joiner can design and make almost anything like a table ,stairs , window frame to fit any space using any type of wood the client desires ,that is safe to carry the weight / load as per building regs 2022

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659398#Comment_119659398

You are totally incorrect about Carpentry and Joinery.

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660564#Comment_119660564

Tables are made by Cabinet Makers.

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119657993#Comment_119657993

300 an hour, send me your address and I'll be there tomorrow lol

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119653012#Comment_119653012

Yes but a carpenter can do what he needs to do

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661437#Comment_119661437

Well done.

You also haven’t a clue of the difference between Carpentry and Joinery.

newmember2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661693#Comment_119661693

wtf...are you trying to say a carpenter cannot hang a door now?

riclad

I sent email re basic job carpentary. Which id say could take maybe 45 to 50 minutes. Battery powered tools needed .he sent me quote 350euro. I supply all materials .on other forum posts. It seems average is 100 to 150 an.hour depending on.complexity of work required

I understand carpenters do.nt want to compete on price like some. Non union brickies from.poland were only getting paid 4 euro an hour in the 90s

Less than basic union rate

What is fair price on average 100euro an hour excluding materials

riclad

I think ill do most of the work myself. I cant afford to pay someone 300euro for 2 hours work .its annoying.they all say id need to see site to give a quote even if I send em images and detailed explanation of work needed

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661693#Comment_119661693

Ok

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661825#Comment_119661825

You need to read and try to understand what I have stated above. It is very simple to follow.

A Irish Craftsperson is a qualified Carpenter & Joiner.

Therefore it is axiomatic that this Carpenter Joiner is an expert in hanging doors.

Hanging doors is not Carpentry. It’s Joinery.

Your Statement-

wtf...are you trying to say a carpenter cannot hang a door now?

I did not say or imply that. Your above statement is totally incorrect.

Even if a Plumber or an Electrician hangs a Door, it will be Joinery. It will not be Electrical or Plumbing.

Carpentry is Carpentry and Joinery is Joinery.

Its certainly not Second Fix Carpentry as mentioned above, and even third fix Carpentry and Fourth fix Carpentry, etc will never be Joinery.

The OP is looking for a Carpenter Joiner to take down a door and hang a new door, and has subsequently stated above they will carry out the works themselves.

If the do the works themselves they may call it Masonry or even call it Architecture - but working on timber doors will still be Joinery.

Its not Magic.

It is what it is.

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661846#Comment_119661846

riclad

No Good Craftsperson would give a Quotation to do any works to an existing door frame ope without carrying out a full survey of what they have been requested to quote for.

You have already decided that the Carpenter Joiner can complete the required works in 2 hours. To do it in that time the Craftsperson would have to be very fast and have a perfect existing frame.

1. There is no such thing as a perfect frame.
2. Good Work no fast - and fast Work no Good.

It could take a full day to properly remove the existing door and hang a new door and fit all the new ironmongery in to the existing frame.

The existing door frame could be a ‘dogs dinner’ and any competent Craftsperson may decide not do get involved.

Furthermore the Craftsperson needs to meet the Client to ascertain if the Client is a lovely lovely very nice wonderful person, or otherwise (a $¥%#).

sham58107

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662767#Comment_119662767

So, you are saying assuming 8-hour day €2400 to hang a bloody door !!, do they do H&S checks and R.A. as well, agreed may want to see site and job to price. Wait until buildings work goes wallop again and like back in 2007-2009 all the "craftsmen" will be on live line complaining they can't get dole and have no work

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662850#Comment_119662850

It will cost you zilch for the Carpenter Joiner to visit to give a quotation.

You stated that you sent him photos. The Craftsperson cannot make a proper assessment from photos and if they did not call to carry out a full assessment of what is required, - they would be Negligent.

The Carpenter Joiner will confirm what you want done. Will assess the state of the existing frame and new door and ironmongery and give you a quotation if they decide to carry out the works.

If the door frame is not the correct size for the door, it means more work.

If the door is solid oak it will take more time.

If the head and saddle are not level and if the stiles of the door frame are not plumb in both directions or are not parallel etc, it will all mean extra work.

If the frame is a ‘dogs dinner’ it may not be possible to complete a proper finish, and the Craftsperson will now be responsible for the substandard work completed by the person who fitted the frame.

It is what it is.

the_pen_turner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661838#Comment_119661838

why do you think 45-50 min . how do you know that. your looking at 5-6 doors into new frames a day max. driving there and back plus setting up and puting tools back. probably allowing 1/2 day min and maybe more if the frame is bad and all the dirty work has to be done outside or upstairs.

why do you specify batery tools

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663508#Comment_119663508

Correct.

If the frame is fitted very badly, it could take a few hours to fit the door.

A self employed Carpenter Joiner must have a substantial amount of hand tools and battery operated tools which are very expensive. + Van taxed and insured etc.

The door may be a heavy expensive finished hardwood door with glass etc.

Craftspersons usually have to complete the works before they can get paid and some Clients don’t pay the full amount agreed, on completion.

the_pen_turner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119663701#Comment_119663701

your preaching to the Choir

i have to second fix a house in a few week and i dont know who fitted the frames and they look cat bad. 4-6 mm wider at the bottom on the 2 i looked at

the cost of tools is mental

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659251#Comment_119659251

I still think you don't really know what a carpenter is. 😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119662767#Comment_119662767

A full day to fit a door. I hope you aren't doing piece work. 🤣

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119664086#Comment_119664086

@the_pen_turner If you don't mind me asking, are you a Carpenter, a Joiner, a carpenter/joiner, or a craftsperson?

Could you explain on here what "second fix" carpentry is please.

the_pen_turner

not sure what i am. carpenter i surose

definition of joiner

a person who constructs the wooden components of a building, such as stairs, doors, and door and window frames.

definition of carpenter. a person who makes and repairs wooden objects and structures.

to me a joiner is in a workshop and a carpenter is on site. there would be a good overlap in the middle in my opinion

1st fix is roofing, stud walls floor joists etc

second fix is skirting arcitrave, doors windowboards floors etc. not structiural

ted1

as far as the clients concerned. A carpenter is a fellow who works with wood.

the trade guy can argue over the correct label.

C. Eastwood

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119664086#Comment_119664086

Yes the cost of C&J tools is very expensive.

Frames 4 to 6 mm wider at the bottom,- very believable.

The people here don’t have a clue what that means, and will assume the Joiner should still fit the door in 45 min.

The Joiner who must hang the doors -should always be the person to fit the door frames.

The people here think that 2nd fix Carpentry is fitting the Joinery.

2nd Fix Carpentry?????????????

Next someone will ask- what is 2nd fix Joinery.

Or- 2nd fix Masonry??????

Citizen Six

The op has been told is won't definitely be a quick job. But I'm sure he'll find out the hard way if he hires someone to do it quick and/or cheap.