Working class! Why bother, whats to gain.

Quitelife

Many estates that were working class are now welfare class!

Huge amount of lazy families all seemed to manage to get on Disability which takes them out of the 4% odd unemployed numbers. If you are threatening and unruly the welfare crowd are so afraid they will sign you off for disabilty and instead harress the law abiding unemployed..

If you are 60 year old man whos worked 40 years on the buildings but the bodys now knackered they'll cut you off if you dont get a job .

Furze99

Re OP, it's all part of being a good citizen or part of the rat race depending on how you view social responsibility.

Myself, I think it's the individual duty of every citizen to contribute to society in how best they can and leave their country a better place when they leave that when they were born. So that means working, paying tax and being a consumer. Means helping to support others who cannot work due to age or chronic disability etc. The state on the other hand should facilitate their citizens to live a life that is fulfilling and which also meets the basic needs of shelter, food and healthcare etc.

I have little time for citizens who get educated here and then feck off to further climes. If it's just for a bit of further education, training or experience etc before returning that's one thing. But I've no time for permanent emigrants or those who come back after many years and then complain. I have even less time for business people who claim to be Irish but who live as tax exiles.

So hang in there, do productive work and contribute to society as best you can. Things will improve as you go along.

Viscount Aggro

DA is the holy grail of welfare, something to be aspired to.

Potential-Monke

So hang in there, do productive work and contribute to society as best you can. Things will improve as you go along.

BS. I've been listening to that since I was a teen, 39 now. Aside from a few years of thinking I had it, it's been basically downhill. And those few years were false, supplied by over generous lending and the end of a boom. And things ain't looking upwards either. But it's my fault, I should just be able to give up my job, retrain in another field and become an expert in the however many years I have left. And if I make a mistake or it doesn't work out, I can do it again. Very easy for a single male to get along in this world. Very.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119624547#Comment_119624547

I'm 41 retrained from Bio to Computer Science.

Super easy, barely an inconvenience

Potential-Monke

Well I'm bloody delighted you could put everything else on hold while you retrained. Must be great to have that opportunity.

riclad

I see no problem if there's one person working and the other person staying home to mind the kids, if they can afford to do so. I doubt if the government could afford to reduce taxs to 20 per cent for everyone who earns under 100k and if they did it could simply increase house prices in most areas. Adult working age could mean someone aged 55 years of age theres no law saying everyone

has to work even if they have children

Addmagnet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621682#Comment_119621682

It's the constant re-reg guy who drones on and on about how everyone else in his family has been able to buy a house in Dublin but he can't.

I'm appalled at the quality of his written English for someone who has gone through a third level education - uses the word 'exasperated' when he mean exacerbated, no capitalisation of the pronoun 'I', misspelling of analysts ('annalists'). Uses several Americanised spellings ('leveled', 'decentralized', 'penalized'), although this is just a personal peeve of my own. I accept that English is a live, growing, changing language and the use of these spellings is rising currently.

Kermit.de.frog

The one thing I completely agree with in this thread is the upper tax level kicks in way too low. It's almost like a punishment. It also makes asking for a raise more difficult too both for employer and employee. Want 10 grand raise? You have to ask for 20 essentially for you to really benefit.

Maybe should kick in around 70 or 80 would be fairer.

Snickers Man

Working class man outraged at having to work a 48-hour week. "It shouldn't be allowed, Joe. I never see my kids"

Is this guy for real?

We don't ALL work for the public sector, you know.

http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-dad-forced-work-overtime-24998620?fbclid=IwAR0Sjzei-MbPmvDBMvurOcj-m7zw5TteFB3IgGq9MTqgAbfEBspUYx-flfA

24 year old mother of 2, no mention of the children's father, complaining about her wait for a council house. Sure why bother trying to make your own way in life when you can expect things to be handed to you on a plate.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/it-broke-me-when-my-son-put-a-pillow-between-us-in-the-air-bed-and-said-look-its-like-we-have-our-own-room-41990424.html

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618631#Comment_119618631

If your interested i work for a software company that makes thinks that nobody really needs, fixing problems we invented in the first place.

Pretty smug from someone who criticise people who defraud welfre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623341#Comment_119623341

what does it come to if you include people who cannot work due to genuine illness? What % won't work/looking for work/unable to work

Murph85

What's this 40% tax rate? I lose half my income over 36,000. A marginal rate of fifty percent on a minimum wage esque salary. Only in Ireland. They dont even index link the bands to inflation.

They have billions available now. Abolish usc. No jobseekers increases. Unless they want to introduce a proper system, like on the continent, based on what you paid into the system...

Wanderer78

op we have fcuked things up big time for your generation, the problem is not with welfare classes but with the bullsh1t free market libertarian horsesh1t thats fcuking your generation over big time, really, the problem is not with welfare classes, thats just another part of this horseh1t ideology, i.e. blaming those that are not causing the problem!

Half_Loaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625809#Comment_119625809

I have changed my stance on the initial argument in regards welfare, I do think there are holes in it but I can agree there are definitely those whom take advantage and i can only see that getting worse when I hear chatter of a universal basic income. I think having people working is the best for both a country and the individual. Idleness is a sorry state that leads people down some dark roads.

I know things are not black and white most things are best resolved at the middle. In regards everyone has an opinion on something this is subject of their own perception on the world but at my young age (ish) I understand that its the diversity that makes the world a better place. After all if i was stuck with 7 billion people just like me i can guarantee it would get dull real fast.

One massive eye opening thing I can see was wrong with my approach was I WANT IT NOW, a fault of my generation of course but this I can now see is my biggest problem and I will work on that.

As I stated in my initial comment, I don't know everything and I think it's the best way to be in life. Thank you all for the comments OP is signing out of this one.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119624713#Comment_119624713

I hope I have retained your faith in my writing but this is something I simply don't care too much for. I write code and type at a pace most people would never reach. I did not proof read because well lets face it I am not writing to be graded. Nevertheless I will take it on board knowing that there is people like you out there. Thank you :)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625545#Comment_119625545

Liz Truss, is that you?

Thespoofer

Scroungers gonna Scrounge.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627526#Comment_119627526

Sure let's tell every teenager to not bother with college or a job, have a few kids, tell the dad to hide when the newspaper/council calls, and give free houses to all. We don't need any workers.

3 questions that reporter should have asked:

1) Where is/are the father(s) of these 2 kids?

2) what job do you have?

3) why do you think the state is obliged to house you?

riclad

Most women do not want to have 2 kids on welfare, and wait for a house. I'm not an economist but if tax rates go down to 20 per cent it will mean single people can borrow more to get a mortgage it will likely push up house prices. I agree get rid of úsc, it was supposed to be a temporary measure

I'd like to see an economist comment on our tax system versus UK USA tax rates

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627924#Comment_119627924

USC, like property tax, are among the fairest and most equitable forms of taxation in our entire system

Getting rid of these lets the highest earners off the most

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628007#Comment_119628007

Do you think it's fair that the higher tax rate kicks in at €38,000?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119629433#Comment_119629433

Heck no, should be triple that

But there should be another rate too, 20% up to 50k, 30% up to 100k and 40% above that

Or something like that.

That our higher rate kicks well below the average industrial wage is ludicrous