Guy lay dead in apartment for more than a week

DellyBelly

Not sure if there is already a thread on this but I found the details of this story unbelievable. Guy was killed in a violent manner in an apartment in Dublin. He was dead at least a week and his body decomposing but still people came and went in order to I presume use or buy drugs. Is the drug epidemic really gone so bad that people just care about putting poison into their veins and don't care about anything else? Link to the article here - https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/dublin-victim-named-as-murder-probe-discovers-people-came-and-went-from-flat-where-he-lay-dead-for-days-41987760.html

Akrasia

Was he just lying in the middle of the floor or something? how did the people who came and went know there was a dead guy in the flat?

I know the smell would give it away after a few days, but I'm guessing this place already had it's own aroma with or without a corpse to add to it

Gusser09

The thing that gets me is whatever about the junkies ignoring it was the fact the homeless charity in charge of the apartment done an inspection and never noticed a dead person on the floor.

Yes the drug issue in Dublin is frightening. Just walk up merchants quay anytime of the day and you will get a good jist of what is going on. If this is the carnage to be expected than maybe we do need the supervised injection centers.

Dyr

It was a Peter McVerry flat, the guy who was meant to be there had moved out, and it was being used a shooting gallery. Apparently the McVerry staff were visiting the flat and didnt notice a rotting corpse.

That's your taxes at work, maintaining an environment for people who should be tucked away safe and sound in prison.

notAMember

What a horrendous story. The victim was in care for his childhood, and had many convictions. His mother and sister were dead, no remaining family apart from a distant cousin, no one to notice he was dead. The tenant apparently had lost control of the front door and people just came and went.

What an awful life and death to hear about in our so called civilized country.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616203#Comment_119616203

Horrendous in that a fella with that many convictions should have been in prison rathering that out on the streets?

DellyBelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616199#Comment_119616199

Yeah you' have to wonder about that Peter McVerry association. Can't imagine they carry out rigorous inspections....surely they would have noticed the smell. They get taxpayers money don't they?

The Mighty Quinn

I dunno about all the mudslinging by some bystanders here... but to me this is just a sad case. It's sad how people are so desperate for a fix or so strung out that they can miss/ignore/not care about the dead person.

retalivity

McVerry gets the absolute dregs from the council for a pretty penny and houses them anywhere they can, regardless of who else is there. The holier-than-thou facade lets them get away with plenty.

Ham_Sandwich

terrible thing to happen the goverment should be doing more for people with addiction issues

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616199#Comment_119616199

Where to start with this, maybe you have a valid source stating McVerry staff visited and ignored a corpse?

I pay a lot of tax, most likely more than you do, and I don't want my tax money spent on locking up drug addicts, open and run treatment centres for drug addicts - yes, but locking them up just because they use drugs - no

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616199#Comment_119616199

In what prisons? Do you think we should let violent criminals, sex abusers, murderers etc... out of the limited space we have in prison for Anto just because he's a drug addict?

Jequ0n

Why is it so surprising that nobody missed a junkie or noticed him lying around in a drug den?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058263286/guy-lay-dead-in-apartment-for-more-than-a-week

unfortunately, addict's are generally only truly interested in fulfilling their needs, resulting in serious situations being largely ignored, yes, this is where we re at, we ve been largely ignoring these type of issues in our society, its clearly obvious we have extremely serious drug addict problems, which are general due to major social failures, failures in providing citizens with their most critical of needs, from security of accommodation, adequate health care services, and other critical welfare needs, and beyond, and yes, this is a problem of our own creation, and not of the addict's themselves!

One Who Waits...

Trainspotting is the first thing that comes to mind.

Lock him up for using drugs? No. But he had the usual 'known to Gardai, large number of convictions' history.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/09/14/man-lay-dead-for-a-week-in-dublin-flat-after-vulnerable-tenant-lost-control-of-property/

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616334#Comment_119616334

It’s surprising that the staff from Peter McVerry didn’t notice it not the junkies.

The McVerry tenant had moved out long before and McVerry trust knew this. There had been loads of complaints from neighbours and yet the McVerry trust didn’t clean the flat out and secure it.

Edit: and McVerry Trust had been visiting the property most days for the last few weeks.

Jequ0n

Whenever I read these stories I wonder who on earth signs up to be a social worker. You’d need a specialised pest control service to sort out these pointless existences.

You got to enjoy the irony of the Facebook posts stating that the guy will be missed when clearly nobody noticed that he was missing in the first place. Ah, the glorious hypocrisy once someone dies.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616284#Comment_119616284

Criminals should be locked up at the tax payers expense.

I know that's a novel idea in Ireland, where we let them wander around even after they've been convicted a hundred or so time, but it tends to be the norm in other countries

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616337#Comment_119616337

And yet, the vast, vast majority of people in this country are neither drug addicts or criminals.

I wonder what the difference is?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616443#Comment_119616443

...its clearly obvious, we re not all the same! we dont all grow up with the exact same conditions in place, we dont all have the exact same opportunities in life.....

StrawbsM

If you read the last page of the gangland thread it will give you an insight into the dead man’s life. If true, seems he was lured there. But then you’ve got to imagine that there were others there so strung out just watching him be murdered.

A scene from trainspotting is right.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616154#Comment_119616154

Apparently he was out the back on the balcony, so that would explain the lack of a smell inside the flat, and perhaps why the McVerry people didn't notice him...

Girl Geraldine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616286#Comment_119616286

Drug addicts care about only one thing.....their next fix.

Their fix will come first and above everything else. It'll come before career, their reputation, their wellbeing and health, family. Even a dying or dead person on the floor in front of them will mean nothing to them and they will step over them to get to their fix.

They will rob, beat and even kill if they have to to get a fix.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616476#Comment_119616476

yup, a truly fcuked up mind, that requires serious professional help to try rectify

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616455#Comment_119616455

What condtions are you referring to?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616489#Comment_119616489

theres plenty of evidence to support that if you are born in a more affluent area, you have far less chances of ending up in such situations, you are far more likely to succeed in creating a successful career, due to many factors, including building good social circles, which helps greatly in such outcomes.

on the opposite end of the scale, theres actually a very good chance, you ll end up as so....

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616476#Comment_119616476

Completely understand that, have seen that, but doesn't make it less sad for me. Not this one person in particular, who by all accounts had inflicted violence on others, so I have sympathy for his victims, but for this type of case in general.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616520#Comment_119616520

Ah yes, the lower classes need me to champion them

Contrary to what you think, there's plenty of evidence that the vast majority of people in less affluent areas don't become criminals. They do however suffer because lads like you think that criminals should be free to wander around their communities, spreading their malaise.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616443#Comment_119616443

The main difference would be opportunities and parenting. I'm pretty sure you didn't have the same type of upbringing as Tony.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616593#Comment_119616593

yes, the majority of people from less affluent areas do not become criminals, but again, theres plenty of evidence to support that more criminal outcomes come from such areas, meaning, this is not just a genetic problem, but a social problem, i.e. of our making, by not making sure all receive critical supports throughout the entire life of individuals, in order to prevent such outcomes, i.e. we re creating this ourselves!

...so i think criminals should walk freely, seriously! if the criminal justice system deems individuals require incarceration, thats what should happen, this is what i believe! so i suspect your comment is wrong there!

thefallingman

Giving them injection centers is making it worse, it's not dealing with the problem it's facilitating it.

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616472#Comment_119616472

thought it was a ground floor flat?

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616608#Comment_119616608

No idea of the particulars of Mr Dempsey's upbringing, but isn't one of the major major factors in chances of everything going pear shaped the lack of a father figure (i.e., single parent families).

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616682#Comment_119616682

Not sure, I just heard in on the SixOne news yesterday about the balcony...

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616682#Comment_119616682

The body was inside the ground floor property. If you could smell the decomposing body from outside how the fool would McVerry staff not smell it inside??? They’re a bit of a shambles if the statement from them below is anything to go by

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/young-man-murdered-left-dead-25011558.amp

Locals yesterday said they could smell the strong “stench” from the property in the days running up to the find. And the odour remained there yesterday while the Garda Technical Bureau examined the scene.

“The tenant, a woman, was successfully accommodated in the property over eighteen months ago, it said. The statement read: “Unfortunately, the tenancy began to break down over recent months as the tenant was struggling to manage the front door and individuals, who had no interest in the property or the tenant’s recovery, were gaining entry to and using the property.

“Steps were actively taken to support the client to surrender the tenancy with a view to being supported in another tenancy elsewhere. This process was being carried out in line with the rights of the tenant. PMVT also increased staff visits to the property.”

Staff from the charity had been visiting the property over the last week but were unaware of the body. Dempsey was not a client of the charity but its CEO yesterday passed on his condolences.

Pat Doyle said: “We’re saddened at the loss of a young life and wish to express our sympathies to the family of the deceased. Staff visited the property daily, including over the weekend, and they had no indication or evidence that someone was deceased at the property or in the vicinity.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616751#Comment_119616751

Serious questions need answering by McVerry and the staff who visited the property for inspections. That is just bizarre stuff and possibly even criminal negligence. The people I feel sorry for are the neighbours who had to endure this shambles. Imagine having that going on beside you. If I were a local resident I'd be actively stopping McVerry housing anyone in that flat. These people obviously haven't got the skills for independent or semi independent living.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616608#Comment_119616608

I grew up in Ballymun in the 80s, in the middle of a heroin epidemic, I've known the Tonys of this world and they were bad news from the get go, short of sterilizing the fuckers they're always gonna be around and I dont take kindly to people who try lump entire communities in with these sorts to suit their socialist bullshit.

They should be in custody where they cant do anymore damage to people, not hanging out in government funded drug dens.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616751#Comment_119616751

How mc'verry staff could visit the property daily and at the weekend, and not notice a dead man beggars belief. Especially if locals reported that something was wrong in the flat.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616787#Comment_119616787

There are a long list of questions about the McVerry Trust. Vast amounts of tax money have been poured into that organisation and it seems like a complete waste of money.

Buachillsalach

"Drug addicts should be locked up at the tax payers expense?"

Well they're already given unlimited access to the stuff at taxpayers expense.

Jequ0n

Are there actually “normal” people living in these complexes that are not involved antisocial behaviour? It must take quite a bit for them to complain about something.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616315#Comment_119616315

Specialised accommodation units, without any requirement to take part in rehabilitatation? Who would ever want to work in that.

notAMember

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616248#Comment_119616248

Well that too, but I meant the full story.

A child in and out of care, with no family. No doubt didn't get any education. The gardai see them over and over again and no matter what they do, the crime is so petty it doesn't incur a long prison sentence. Or, worse, prison ends up being a networking convention for them, where they meet more criminals.

There's a boy around here aged 10 or 11. He doesn't go to school. His family are either dead or in prison, I'm not sure, but they are not around. He is the eldest of the kids, split across various care situations, and he robs constantly. Every single day, morning until night. He strips down bikes for parts and moves them on. That's basically his "career" now. I've talked the the gardai a few times about him, when our bikes were nicked. They said it's the same story they have seen many times before, and they will have a lifetime of trouble with him. What hope does that child have? What happened this guy is probably his future.

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617007#Comment_119617007

A 10 year old is stripping down bikes and selling parts? Complete nonsense lol

10 year olds running chop shops now...

GalwayMan74

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617043#Comment_119617043

He packs them into containers and sends them to eastern Europe .

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617007#Comment_119617007

Yeah as I get older and look at my own children my views on this are softening and changing. I used to be firmly along the lines of "f*ck them anyway, not my problem, dirty scumbag knackers"... or similar! Now I still do hold on to a lot of that, while at the same time feeling a sadness/pity for them, no rearing, no love, nobody helping them or looking out, no guidance. Unfortunately many of these poor neglected kids grow up to be unadultered scumbag knackers, at which point my sympathies have vanished.

Quitelife

Drugs have destroyed communities in urban areas like inner city of Dublin for many years and it’s getting worse . Drug dealers and their runners are like vultures on the streets of the inner city.

getting as bad in rural Ireland but it’s mostly powder cocaine . The huge impact on rural communities is how the drug dealers now control these towns with law and order broken down - the garda stations are closed down or have Micky mouse opening hours with 2/3 guards . Law abiding people are afraid to go about their daily business in so many towns and villages for fear of falling foul of drug dealers and their large extended families who control many parts of the country .

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617087#Comment_119617087

Which towns are these? Name some for us...

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617092#Comment_119617092

I'm from a smaller regional town. Never heard of anybody afraid to go out about their daily business for fear of drug dealers or kingpin families! Sure, maybe, people wont' walk on their own at 2am through town.. but hardly the same thing.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617043#Comment_119617043

I wouldn’t disbelieve it tbh and it is sad to think that the babies born to deadbeat adults will one day be the deadbeat adults we give out about.

I no way agree with the sterilisation argument that’s sometimes bandied about but there really needs to be a serious conversation about children born to current users. In and out of care homes does not make for a good start in life. Maybe now that abortion is permitted in Ireland, childbirth rates to drug users will reduce (if it’s offered for free). But then you can’t force an abortion on someone who uses while pregnant. Is it even classed as child abuse as they’re a foetus.

I don’t have the answer but like Mighty Quinn above, it’s a very sad existence

notAMember

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617043#Comment_119617043

God you're sheltered.