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Don't pay in October

  • 01-09-2022 2:23pm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc

    . The electric companies are gouging us all raising prices to astronomical levels.

    I'm nominating the month of October when we stand up to them and don't pay. Enough is enough.

    Would it work. Could the Irish people do an Irish water on it? The cretins in the government aren't doing anything. There's a **** surprise I hear you say.

    Well then roll on October?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    I think he means that we stop paying for good, starting 1st of October until the pirates get their act together

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,177 ✭✭✭timmyntc

    If enough people didnt pay for a short time it could lead to a crisis in these companies - but it likely wouldnt work out in customers favour either.

    Also most people have direct debits for bills and wouldnt bother cancelling in the first place. With water charges it was easy, most people didnt sign up to begin with.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    I won't be paying it in full anyway and it's nothing to do with protesting.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭cruizer101

    Not sure I can see it working tbh, wouldn't get enough people behind it and they will just roll the bill over.

    I did see a school governor in UK saying he wasn't going to pay the energy bills next month and could see that working. If a number of schools don't pay are the energy companies going to cut them off coming into winter, suggestions hospitals should do the same.

    Commercial energy bills over there have gone crazy.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 77,727 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn

    Would it not be better to boycott them one by one, everyone first leave Electric Ireland seeing as it's the one the government own so most able to influence and move to someone else?

  • Give someone like Paddy Cosgrave a shout to lead the campaign. Or Paul Murphy.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel

    Most people are on level pay to get discount

    The company have build up a nice little coverage. So in my case I have over 1k sitting in my account with Energia

    Not paying just means they will take the money out of it

    Need a better plan

    What I am struggling with is FiT was announced, yet we are now 6month + and customers getting paid nothing

    Are ESB networks saying the increase in price to supply electricity means they will also increase the FiT given to people? from what I have seen thats a no....

    I also said it at the time, the 200 euro or whatever it was was a waste of time. We would have been better investing the money into solar panels for peopel

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Allinall

    It will be a very dark winter if people don't pay their electric bills.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Allinall

    Why weren't they price gouging two years ago, instead of dropping prices?

  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭shalom

    And then end up having to pay a reconnection fee? I don't think so. I think behind this is your fear of what may be ahead. My suggestion, a little preparation. Have a small gas stove (if you can find one ) to cook or boil water and a tank of gas. Enough fuel in if you have an open fire. Start looking at what you will be able to do without. (those coffee take away magazines etc), and you will have enough. I do believe there will be a shortage of luxury stuff but we will be able to buy all the other necessities, they will be expensive but we will be able to Yes things are going to get a little shaky, but if you stand your own ground and not look outward at everyone else, it will pass. I do fear for the very poor and elderly. But in my own area, I will be keeping an unobtrusive eye out.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭Flinty997

    Lack of demand and competition. I wonder why ..

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭Allinall

    No different from today. yet two years ago they were dropping prices, and today they are supposedly price gouging.

    Something doesn't add up.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel

    The unit price has massively increased. Ireland doesn't have control over our power generation like we should so we pay for it.

    What the companies are doing is increasing with the cost of the unit. What they are also doing is keeping the profit margin the same.

    So if you are paying 0.10 cent per unit and ESb have a 10% profit on it then they get 0.01

    If the price is going up and now the unit price is 0.20 what ESB are saying is their profit it still the same percentage, but they now get 0.02 per unit

    That is my understanding of what is going on

    They will also turn around and say the money they have to pay staff etc has increased but we know thats BS

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl

    They may be making record profits, but their profit margin is a fairly tiny proportion of the price increase.

    The unit price has massively increased. Ireland doesn't have control over our power generation like we should so we pay for it.

    Probably wouldn't matter much if we did. Once you are tied into the international energy markets it stops being about cost of production. Obviously that is a large negative at the moment, but it also brings benefits most of the time. Unprecedented issues such as we are facing today really require pretty strong government intervention - be that with subsidies, price caps or whatever.

  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭Gamergurll

    Little luxuries are what keep life from being completely miserable! ☺️

    Things are tight for everyone of course, we are with prepay and it's clocking in at over €40 per week at the moment. It's always been around 25 ish give or take so it has gone up a lot, I don't think I can afford it going any higher. Concerned more for the local elderly same as you, will be checking in on them same as a few of my neighbours, it's going to be a crazy winter to be sure 😔

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl

    Yes, I think that is right - an outright price cap will do nothing to encourage moderation of usage.

    Something will have to be done though, even if they do not know quite what form that will take they should be acknowledging that now.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel

    Mind you we are not the only ones, I seen a country in Europe talking about people working at night to balance the grid

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,611 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭Flinty997

    Was in the middle of lockdown crisis demand fell off a cliff.

    What doesn't add up is why you would want to use market conditions Covid as a comparison to anything else.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭Flinty997

    There's more going on than just Putins crusade. it may have been the straw that broke the camels back. But there's more to it than that.

    People won't look further though.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    Driving a car is a choice for many, electricity in the home is a necessity for all

    I think the hope would be that the electricity billing companies would drop their prices when they see this form of mass protest

    I like this idea best. One thing I've noticed is they're all set to bring in the hikes form October 1st. Perhaps if customers made this date their switching day it would send a very strong message

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  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Subzero3

    Anyone could forsee that it would be impossible to replace cheap energy. So the EU went all in against its biggest supplier.

    It has no alternative. None. So what will happen is the EU will cease to exist. Why? Because eventually countries will say this is BS and forge their own strategy.