Job Offer Rescinded

Frostynight

I went through a long recruitment campaign and stopped applying for other roles as this one was promising. I was told that the job was 95% mine, that they were waiting on final approval for hiring. I was told this week that due to the economic changes, all internal hiring has been frozen.

It's an American tech multinational and was a rare opportunity.

The internal HR recruiter said that she would be in contact in a few weeks as she was convinced that this role would become available. I have no idea why she thinks that, but she may know things I don't. But, I did hear of tech company hiring freezes and I wondered why this company was recruiting aggressively. I think they have estimated wrongly on a couple of counts.

Anyone else seeing or hearing this sort of thing?

helimachoptor

From my own experience, vast majority have put a serious slow down in place, and I’m ultimately decisions are made on the west coast.

skallywag

Your title is a tad misleading OP, as there was never a job offer in the first place?

This is very common in my own experience, the team itself want you but now have their hands tied due to a company wide hire freeze. It can be very difficult to get around this, I would begin to think elsewhere.

Frostynight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119546990#Comment_119546990

Misleading? Until that happens to you, and you might not be so strict in your terms of thinking.

rogerywalters

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547057#Comment_119547057

You never had a job offer so of course your post title was misleading, I do hope works out for you though.

Etc

We’ve had this several times, once all hiring was frozen due to an imminent take over Worst case !!) but it’s normally down to budget, the headcount maybe moved to a different team possibly due to resource need.

if the HR person thinks it may be back on they know the situation and have had discussions with the hiring manager so I wouldn’t give up hope.

Frostynight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547104#Comment_119547104

Cheers.

As it happens, my current employer said they'd be willing to negotiate to keep me, so I will start on that today. At least I have options. :)

Etc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547153#Comment_119547153

That’s great news, always good to have options ! Good luck with everything

skallywag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547057#Comment_119547057

You never had a job offer? What's with your attitude?

drogon.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058261132/job-offer-rescinded

Was this an internal move within the company you are already with ? Was there any thing written on a piece of paper stating that you had the job or even 95% that you did ?

I had a manager in a MNC that called this "Pillow talk" - Promise you the sun and the moon, and everything leads to nothing actually happening. Very common in MNC's. Always get something in writing or even a email to them stating as you said XYZ.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547182#Comment_119547182

He's disappointed?

I never consider a job offer real until the I've actually started. Anything can happen until then.

But there wasn't a job offer people are right about that. HR was unprofessional to talk it up.

skallywag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547221#Comment_119547221

I completely understand that the OP is disappointed, I would also be if I was in the same position, as indeed I once have been. Never count your chickens before you have a signed and legally binding contract in your hand.

I still do not take the OP's point though that the title of the thread is not misleading? The OP mentions that there was never any formal approval for hiring for this position. The OP was never given a 'job offer'.

Strumms

There was no job offer, nothing was rescinded . Shock horror, HR people making an absolute balls of things and putting people in difficult positions…or the usual.

HR were extremely unprofessional, it’s really a position that attracts some real pieces of work…

skallywag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547220#Comment_119547220

Having an email etc. saying 'you are 95% certain to get this job' would hardly help?

skallywag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547257#Comment_119547257

Agree completely with this, whoever informed the OP that there was a 95% chance was way out of line, and should clearly not be working in such a position.

I would also be very pissed off with this in the OP's shoes.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547287#Comment_119547287

I don't agree.

There are multiple hoops to jump through in MNC to get a job over the line.

The HR person that was dealing with our OP may themselves have been told that the job was 95% sorted, only for someone multiple layers above them to make a decision to that changed all that.

dmc17

Had a 95% chance of getting a job offer so?

skallywag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547339#Comment_119547339

What sticks out to me is that there was never formal approval in place to hire for this position, as the OP mentions quite clearly:

> I was told that the job was 95% mine, that they were waiting on final approval for hiring.

I really do not see how any competent HR employee could then go on to still tell the OP that there was a 95% chance of success? Hiring approval is never a given, particularly in the current environment. In my own company we withdrew company wide hiring approval from one day to the next, and without warning. It is never a given that it will be granted.

Furze99

I hear anecdotally that this is indeed the case, recruitment plans from earlier in the year that are needed for expansion are being put on the long finger. And people caught up at various stages in these recruitment/ training/ probation roles.

Strumms

Any interview takes place whereby a job is only 95% sorted / approved is scumbag behaviour on behalf of employers.

a ‘new hire requisition’ form had to be signed by the MD in my last job, no advertising, interviewing or anything until that was achieved…manager had to request via a form outlining why hiring was needed, the benefit to the business, the negative impacts if hiring wasn’t completed etc., cost to the business.. wages, training, equipment etc…, whether it was a replacement or an additional hire…. NO interviews until that was done..and approved..

you will spend the time and effort, researching the company, preparing for the interview, so the base you want is that job to exist in the first place.

asking people to invest their time presenting for an interview for a job that may not exist is scummy.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547339#Comment_119547339

Still shouldn't have repeated it to the applicant.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547057#Comment_119547057

I know you are disappointed, but when it comes to recruitment, you need to learn to deal only with the facts. There was no offer and there may never be an offer. That's why people are regularly advised to not count on a job until you have the signed returned contract from the employer. It is not at all unusual for jobs to fall through for all kinds of reasons.

And the other thing you should never do is include bonuses in your financial calculations. They are always at the discretion of the company and there is not guarantee that you will get one, no matter how much the recruiter tells you otherwise. Unless it is written into your contract that you will get X amount each year as a bonus, don't count on it.

drogon.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547263#Comment_119547263

Working for a MNC, you would be surprised with the amount of BS you deal with. Asking for stuff in writing is always a good thing, if they aren’t willing to have it in writing e.g. asking you to do something verbally, but never willing to write it down, send them an email in a way paraphrasing what they want you to do and wait for a response.

SuperS54

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547153#Comment_119547153

Did you already give in your notice with the current employer based on the "promise"? I wouldn't wait around for the hiring freeze to be lifted, the HR person is either trying to give you a feel good or have you hang about available in case they need someone.

ednwireland

yep international American company announced a hiring freezeca couple of weeks ago. despite loads of people leaving so effectively a staff cut

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547057#Comment_119547057

almost a job offer, like being almost pregnant.

Treviso

We're seeing quite a number of companies (mainly in the US) laying off staff in droves, and correspondingly companies that are doing quite well are implementing hiring freezes. All this because a recession is being predicted and companies are forecasted to spend less

In my experience, the role here was approved and they were going through the normal hiring process, with the recruiter saying all the right things to keep the OP sweet. Multiple interviews are required with MNC these days so maybe they were waiting on a final interview or a decision to be approved (some companies require CFO final approval before contracts are issued).

During this time, the company decided to implement a hiring freeze which means some, if not all, open positions that have not yet issued contracts are automatically "paused". These decisions can happen very fast with little to no warning.

As with the recruiter saying that they are convinced it will become available, some roles may be deemed a necessity to hire. The hiring manager may be submitting a case to continue with this hire. So OP there may still be a chance so don't give up on it yet.

skallywag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547973#Comment_119547973

My point is that even having it in writing that you 'are 95% sure to get the job' is absolutely useless. What do you think can do done with that?

Markus Antonius

An even worse practice is when they insist on getting a reference (who more often than not is one of your current superiors) and then proceed to contact them without making any offer at all. HR in larger multinationals are nasty and ruthless.