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Time to arm all Gardai?

  • 30-08-2022 9:12am
    Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne

    In my opinion it’s time to arm all Gardai.

    Ireland has changed and become lawless in many areas just like the UK.

    The Gardai are clearly not getting involved we only a stick and pepper spray on there hip.

    Time to arm all Gardai? 219 votes

    27% 60 votes
    68% 150 votes
    Not sure
    4% 9 votes



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Pissy Missy

    No need for a real gun, but yes one of those taser guns/stun guns/ tranqualiser guns may be helpful

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  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich

    Gardai should never be armed sure look at what happened in america gards are to heavy handed as it is if they had guns theyd be out shooting first and asking questions later

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,017 ✭✭✭✭Danzy

    It's actually quite incredible how few innocent people, even just unarmed are shot in America given it's population size, it's crime levels and how common hand guns are.

    The great irony is that American police excel in non lethal policing in a violent society but due to people growing up on Cop shows they imagine it's non stop killing. By no means are they perfect but the idea that they are quick to shoot unarmed people is fantastical.

    Certainly the police there need more Training but they have mastered that bit.

    I voted no in this poll.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭thefallingman

    Gardai have plenty of guns, didn’t a gang of 12 of them execute a chap in his garden last year. The last thing they need is more guns

  • Registered Users Posts: 39,359 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail

    It's actually quite incredible how few innocent people, even just unarmed are shot in America given it's population size, it's crime levels and how common hand guns are.

    you must be having a laugh

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,812 ✭✭✭spaceHopper

    Do you want them to shoot scrotes? We need more Gardai and we need them to enforce the laws. Thing is if they arrest an teenager for anti social behavior then they get bail and slap on the writs.

    There is noting for teens to do.

    If they endup in trouble, we have nowhere to put them or no properly resourced pronation service.

    Latvian guy in work was telling me, in Latvia they have loads of swimming pools, tennis and basketball courts, football pitches and clubs to keep them occupied. His teenage cousins aren't bothers smoking or drinking as it would get in the way of their sports.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,611 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78

    good guys with guns, hooray!

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭kirving

    Tasers for all, yes. Guns for all, no. Although I do think we should have more armed Gardai at large events.

    I've never dealt with the Gardai in a criminal sense, and the few interactions I've had with them otherwise have been mostly OK.

    But I've also personally seen enough to believe that abuse of power is endemic. It might be at a low level compared to other countries, but it's enough to erode the public's confidence in their intentions and credibility.

  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭TagoMago

    Absolutely not, would cause far more problems than it would solve.

    Out of interest, where are these "lawless" areas the OP has mentioned?

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,978 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    They also claimed the UK is "lawless". The UK is patently not "lawless".

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    I'd put them all on fitness regimes before giving them access to firearms. The amount of over weight Gardai out and about is concerning.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich

    exactly, and if that poor man was white he would still be alive

  • Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭erlichbachman

    Sure what could go wrong 👀

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Floppybits

    Stronger sentencing, a more visible presence of Gardai on the streets and properly equipping them to do the job such as a proper communication system and more vehicles.

  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭Ouch Chinese Byrne

    why is everyone comparing Ireland to the US in relation to Gardai carrying Guns.

    Isn’t Ireland the only EU member country where with an unarmed Police force?

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,861 ✭✭✭✭blanch152

    Justice requires a balance between deterrence and punishment on the one hand and rehabilitation and support on the other hand.

    You can never get it exactly right, and over time, in a society the balance will swing from one to the other. At the moment in Ireland, my tentative view would be that the balance has swung too far away from deterrence and punishment. However, I am open to evidence-based arguments that I am wrong on that.

    That doesn't mean I support arming Gardai. An armed Garda force is one extra deterrent, stronger sentencing is another. The greater use of electronic tagging in our modern society, i.e. effective house arrest at night for example, would be another. Policy options to strengthen deterrence need to be examined.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,485 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    The price of one SIG Sauer P226.. in the region of 2,400 euros

    there are around 14,500 Gardai… so roughly 34 million to equip them all with guns..

    Plus…training….initial and recurrent $$$$$$

    ballistic vests $$$$$

    ammunition $$$$$

    it’s probably not practical.

    There is what Garda insiders have described as a a ‘chronic shortage’ of armed Gardai in the Dublin Metropolitan Reigon….it’s been described as a ‘crisis’… so from going there to equipping all Gardai with guns and training them ….

    ‘more’ armed Gardai id be in favour of but arming the lot wouldn’t be practical.