Undertaking on hard shoulder?

Anomymous

In reply to Markious Antonious....

In the first place that car should not be driving on hard shoulder lane and it is dangerous driving on YOUR BEHALF to not let them back in to their proper driving lane... 🙈🙄..

You need to update yourself on Irish rules of the road no harm to you!

Hard shoulder is for emergencies and break downs only or a brief entrance if car infront has indicated to turn right.

Anomymous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119544829#Comment_119544829

Dangerous/ recklous driving on your behalf to not let that car in to it's lane..

What if a pedestrian was walking in hard shoulder???? And u are blocking that car from exiting to the right... OMG

Yeah Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538024#Comment_119538024

This pops up on boards all the time, usually said by pompous posters tying to appear smarter than they are. It's absolute codswallop too.

Overtaking on the left is called undertaking. Always has been, it's even in the dictionary:

noun: undertaking

the action of catching up with and passing another vehicle while travelling on the inside.

"the Highway Code discourages undertaking on motorways"

Who are you gonna believe, snooty posters on Boards?.......Or the Cambridge dictionary, Collins dictionary? The OED is paywalled, so cannot link it here.

Buffman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119544870#Comment_119544870

+1 million, there seems to be an issue with people not knowing the difference between solid and broken lines. I notice it a lot also with mandatory and non-mandatory cycle lanes, where on road that's really too narrow for any cycle lane at all, people almost go onto the opposite side of the road to stay out of an empty non-mandatory cycle lane.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121217620#Comment_121217620

Hard shoulders are for emergency vehicles, broken down cars and for access, not a lane for driving.

And even if it was a lane, just because you are "being sound" and letting faster traffic go passed - it doesn't give you the right to just pull out again and cut-off the traffic.

If there is a pedestrian in the hard shoulder and you are driving along it, that is 100% on you if you hit them

Anomymous

I personally know what the rules are for entering the hard shoulder Markous and they are only for emergency stops or to safely pass if you see a car sitting on road turning right... My point WAS that u said its so annoying letting a car ( that should not be there) come back out from hard shoulder to enter in front of u... My point is u should let that clown infront fast so as not to kill someone on hard shoulder cycling etc

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121218468#Comment_121218468

I never said "it's so annoying letting a car come back". I said car's pull back off the hard shoulder as if they have the right of way.

Read it whatever way you want.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121218259#Comment_121218259

You can use the hard shoulder to pull in and let another car pass you. Page 73 of ROTR.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121219410#Comment_121219410

What page does it say you can pull back out onto the road and cut off the other traffic? This is the core of my argument, not what the hard shoulder should be used for.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121219806#Comment_121219806

In your experience does everybody who use the hard shoulder deliberately pull out in front of you or is it just the odd noob?

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121219830#Comment_121219830

There is a road I drive on where cars very often turn out of a side road and use the hard shoulder to speed up to the same speed as the traffic already on the road. 9/10 times they just pull straight out onto the road as if it's their entitlement regardless of if there is a car coming up behind or alongside them. In my experience, this behaviour also plagues those who use the hard shoulder to let traffic pass. While I appreciate them doing this, it does not give them the right to pull right back onto the road again, cutting off my car, just because the hard shoulder is coming to an end or there is a pedestrian.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121219935#Comment_121219935

Same people probably cant use a roundabout and probably think theyre entitled to always use the fast lane cause theyre going so fast. Some people blame the flat capped generation for this behaviour but it all pervasive out there

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121219935#Comment_121219935

Got it. Your argument is based on a few drivers in your local area and not drivers across the State.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121220039#Comment_121220039

So you've never encountered this behaviour then? What do the cars that use the hard shoulder do in your area?

_Kaiser_

This one again..... and the same misconceptions, arguments and just plain wrong statements.

1. When coming up behind a car that is indicating/waiting to turn right, you may (and should) pass them on the left if safe to do so
2. If you are holding up traffic (maybe you're driving a truck or a tractor) it is again perfectly legal and advisable to move into the hard shoulder to allow cars built up behind you to pass. Once these cars have passed you should move back into the lane
3. If on a multi-lane road (let's say the M50/N40) and you are in the left lane or middle lane, it is allowed to pass cars on your right if in slow moving traffic. For those who will argue "what's slow" this means crawling or stop-start traffic, not cars doing 80-100
4. If joining a faster moving lane, you should use the merging lane/hard shoulder to get up to speed and then move into the main lane in a safe manner. Do NOT just pull into the lane at 40/60 km/h less than the traffic already in it. Do NOT pull into it from a standstill.

This isn't that hard. It really is bizarre how many people don't know this. It's mostly common sense!