Lord Mountbatten - paedophile?

mazdamiatamx5 · 25-08-2022 10:10pm #1

A previous thread on this issue in the History and Heritage forum was closed by Manach as apparently it had become non-historic.

But it appears that the issue is still live, as Andrew Lownie, a still living author (obviously) has published a book making accusations against Mountbatten, whereas two brothers from Mullaghmore (also still alive, obviously) have been quoted in the media ridiculing the accusations.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/sex-abuse-claims-about-lord-mountbatten-are-unfounded-say-mullaghmore-brothers-41933062.html

I find this intervention by the Barry brothers rather curious. They recall visiting and working in the property as kids or young adults and state that only his grandkids were in the house, but of course that does not prove that he was not a child abuser, as there are many proven cases of child abusers leaving their own kids and grandkids alone but abusing kids outside of their family. Additionally, it could be argued that one of the brothers has a vested interest, as he subsequently went to work for Mountbatten in England. I also do not put much credit on Mr Barry's assertion that if something untoward was going on, the guards would have done something about it, as it is well known and testified to that some of the guards during that era were very corrupt and/or unduly deferential to authority and in several known cases, facilitated child abuse, by, for example, bringing kids who escaped from 'care' homes where they were being abused back to their abusers.

Additionally, we know not everyone under 18 in Mountbatten's circle were grandkids or in any way related, given that two of the people assassinated on his boat in 1973 were children unrelated to the Mountbatten family. So we can at the very least state as a fact that Mountbatten had associations with children other than his grandkids, contrary to the recollection of the Barry brothers.

Btw, I should state that I place no credence whatever upon claims by IRA supporters that the assassination of Mountbatten was motivated by some kind of rightful justice on behalf of kids that he allegedly abused.

If the IRA cared so much about children, they obviously would have taken precautions not to have killed the two kids who were on the same boat as he when they assassinated him.

corner of hells · 25-08-2022 10:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058260408/lord-mountbatten-paedophile

Was the assassination not later than 73 , I can remember it happening , 1980 or thereabouts.

One of the dead was his grandson another a local lad and the third an elderly female.

Zebra3 · 25-08-2022 11:09pm

Was apparently one of the reasons he was sent off to British occupied India. Remember that coming from a British media source too.

Whether true or not, have no idea.

26-08-2022 4:10pm

I mean the allegations were from FBI files, they had no vested interest

How many times have you seen something come up about an abuser and people say "well he was always nice to me". Just because it didn't happen to some people doesn't mean it didn't happen

Conall Cernach · 26-08-2022 4:13pm

He was killed in 1979

Brucie Bonus · 26-08-2022 4:15pm

I always thought it odd it was himself and the young boys on the boat. RIP the young boys.

Shank Williams · 26-08-2022 4:17pm

I’d say a fairly good chance- those aristos seemed to be fairly into it in general.

not a good human being regardless even if not true

tmh106 · 26-08-2022 4:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526021#Comment_119526021

Why? What on earth was odd about it? There were other adults on the boat.

Brucie Bonus · 26-08-2022 4:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526079#Comment_119526079

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9749352/lord-mountbatten-fbi-claims-ira-murder-anniversary/

It seemed odd to me. They weren't family. Wondered why they were there.

tmh106 · 26-08-2022 5:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526101#Comment_119526101

There were three children on the both. Two were Mountbatten's grandsons, their parents were also on the boat. How can you consider them 'not family'? The third child was local boy who got a summer job crewing on the boat. Not family, for sure. But hardly odd that a child would get a summer job helping out as crew on the boat.

Brucie Bonus · 26-08-2022 5:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526248#Comment_119526248

It would if the skipper is a royal, IRA target. Anyway, seems he may have been fond of children.

corner of hells · 26-08-2022 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526262#Comment_119526262

Would it not be worth reading up on who was actually on the boat ?

Jim_Hodge · 26-08-2022 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526262#Comment_119526262

It seems you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Beechwoodspark · 26-08-2022 5:23pm

My 2 cents

read a number of books where Mountbatten featured either minor or majorly in them

that lownie book stands out as it makes various accusations

my gut feeling is Lownie sensationalised to get attention.

26-08-2022 5:25pm

You'd wonder why security detail of what was an open secret paedophile royal was withdrawn as next generation of royals being born,when he was visiting Ireland in middle of troubles

Prince Andrew may avoid boats and small planes for foreseeable future🧐

elperello · 26-08-2022 5:26pm

What happened on August 27th 1979 is generally known and the information is available widely online from many sources.

The question asked about Mountbatten in the OP is another story.

You will find many conflicting opinions and little hard evidence one way or the other.

Brucie Bonus · 26-08-2022 5:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526308#Comment_119526308

Funnily enough I don't claim to be an expert.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526279#Comment_119526279

I have, just now. Cheers.

Jim_Hodge · 26-08-2022 5:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526399#Comment_119526399

Then perhaps wait until you have informed yourself before making statements.

Brucie Bonus · 26-08-2022 5:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526429#Comment_119526429

I come in here to discuss things not post my thesis.

Maybe chill the **** out?

markodaly · 26-08-2022 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058260408/lord-mountbatten-paedophile

Additionally, we know not everyone under 18 in Mountbatten's circle were grandkids or in any way related, given that two of the people assassinated on his boat in 1973 were children unrelated to the Mountbatten family. So we can at the very least state as a fact that Mountbatten had associations with children other than his grandkids, contrary to the recollection of the Barry brothers.

Being associated with children or being around children does not mean you are a paedophile. Is there any actual evidence of such, like scores of victims coming out after the fact?

Btw, I should state that I place no credence whatever upon claims by IRA supporters that the assassination of Mountbatten was motivated by some kind of rightful justice on behalf of kids that he allegedly abused.

That would be ironic, given the PIRA of the day murdered more children than Jimmy Saville abused.

markodaly · 26-08-2022 6:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526021#Comment_119526021

Em, his daughter (who was 55 at the time) was there with her husband (who was 54) and his elderly mother (who was 83). So he was not thereby 'himself'.

Unless they were part of some paedo ring, QANON style? Maybe that's it!?*

*God, some people go to any lengths to spout nonsense and untruths.

markodaly · 26-08-2022 6:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526101#Comment_119526101

It seemed odd to me. They weren't family. Wondered why they were there.

Do you mean his daughter, his son-in-law and his wife-in-law, are not family?

Are you hitting the pints early BB?

markodaly · 26-08-2022 6:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526308#Comment_119526308

The truest statement in this thread to be fair.

skallywag · 26-08-2022 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119523025#Comment_119523025

It was 1979, the same day as the Warrenpoint ambush.

26-08-2022 6:17pm

Wasn't it the FBI who said Mountbatten was suspected of being a paedophile

Trigger Happy · 26-08-2022 6:21pm

He is entitled to the assumption of innocence unless there is factual, witness testified, evidence that he was an abuser of kids.

lawred2 · 26-08-2022 6:26pm

Marko is exercised anyway

Brucie Bonus · 26-08-2022 6:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526499#Comment_119526499

You'd want to lay off the qanon and the caffeine horse.

There were kids on the boat. You're fond of the aul' making things up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526512#Comment_119526512

Was a time you could discuss things with out people hovering looking to have a go. All I said was I found it odd there were kids on the boat. I have been told some where his grandkids. I'm not sure what has you so uppity.

corner of hells · 26-08-2022 6:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526544#Comment_119526544

I can vaguely remember it happening along with Warrenpoint, I was a young kid.

mazdamiatamx5 · 26-08-2022 8:04pm

Mea culpa, for some reason, I thought the kids on the boat were not related to Mountbatten but in fact two of them were his grandkids. I don't think the fact a boy not related to him was on the boat was necessarily suspicious in itself.

The fact that long before his assassination, FBI records apparently implicated Mountbatten in having inappropriate relations with boys is certainly odd.

mazdamiatamx5 · 26-08-2022 8:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526039#Comment_119526039

Kevin Myers wrote a very critical piece about Mountbatten.

I cannot say if all the allegations Myers makes are true, but I would give it credibility as Myers is in general pro-British establishment and very critical of the IRA and Irish republicanism. He describes Mountbatten as 'a vile psycho killed by thugs'.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-mountbatten-a-vile-psycho-killed-by-thugs-26788852.html

evolvingtipperary101 · 26-08-2022 8:21pm

This is a letter by a man who has worked on the subject for a long time..

Dear Sir,

It is natural and admirable that John Barry should seek to defend Lord Mountbatten, who employed him, his mother and brother but, just because Mountbatten’s ‘family, friends, staff and local staff’ saw no paedophile activity, it does not mean that it did not happen. By its very nature such proclivities are kept private. In fact my research shows that only one member of staff was well aware what was happening but chose to remain silent.

If he reads my book ‘The Mountbattens: Their Lives and Loves’, rather than dismiss my findings as “implausible fictional claims” , he will see I have produced extensive evidence to back up my claims of Mountbatten’s paedophilia.

Stories about Mountbatten’s proclivities have circulated in the media for over forty years including accounts in Private Eye and the International Times where the newspaper proprietor Cecil King described Mountbatten as a “sexual pervert”. There was also a report in Now Magazine in 1990 where the Northern Ireland author Robin Bryans claimed that “leading British establishment figures were in a vice ring which abused boys from the notorious Kincora Home in East Belfast” and named Mountbatten as one of them. It also reported that Mountbatten “was particularly attracted to boys in their early teens”. Bryans in private correspondence, which I have seen, wrote that “Kincora and Portora Boys’ Schools were used as homosexual brothels by many prominent figures, including Lord Mountbatten”. Joseph de Burca in Village Magazine has written extensively about Mountbatten’s paedophile networks.

In my book I reproduce FBI files going back to 1944 with interviews with people in Mountbatten’s circle . One, the American writer and society figure, Baroness Decies, when interviewed on another matter reported ‘that Lord Louis Mountbatten was known to be a homosexual with a perversion for young boys’. Interestingly I was told that other FBI files I had requested under Freedom of Information legislation had been destroyed – after I requested them.

Mountbatten’s wartime driver Norman Nield is on record saying he “was ordered to take young boys who had been procured for the admiral to his official residence in Lord Mountbatten’s Humber car” . According to Nield, Mountbatten, known as LL, used brandy and lemonade to help seduce the boys, who ranged in age from 8 to 12.

I interviewed two boys who said they were abused by Mountbatten. Knowing of the controversy their testimony would generate, I was particularly keen to ensure what they said was true. Everything I could check was found to be accurate but clearly these were recollections over forty years after the event. One boy was abused in Classiebawn’s boathouse, away from the house, another in a local hotel where before the days of cctv it was very easy for a visitor to nip briefly upstairs. I have never suggested that boys stayed at Classiebawn castle itself let alone overnight.

Contrary to claims, one has gone public with his claims and has brought legal action which is almost concluded. I am hoping he will shortly appear in a television programme on Mountbatten.

Likewise my interviewee had agreed to participate in the HIA Inquiry but the Inquiry served several hundred pages of information on his solicitors just before the weekend prior to his appearance at the Inquiry. His solicitors rightly told the Inquiry that, in the time allowed, it was impossible for them to read and study all the documents, let alone advise him properly.

In ‘The Mountbattens’, I reveal that Mountbatten was probably himself abused as a teenager by a bachelor clergyman Frederick Lawrence Long who acted as a private tutor.

On legal advice, some material was removed from my book , referring to Mountbatten’s paedophilia and murder, which further supported my paedophilia claims. I hope at some stage that material can be restored.

Various people have contacted me since my book was published last year providing fresh evidence of Mountbatten’s activities and I also hope to incorporate that testimony in future editions.

One has to ask why so many files from Kincora still remain closed after all this time, why files scheduled for release several years ago are still held by government departments and were not supplied to the relevant abuse inquiries and why the Garda have refused to supply the car logs for Classiebawn for August 1977 when the boys were abused. Why not? What is there to hide?

Many files on Mountbatten’s murder remain closed forty years later and questions remain. Why was his security reduced in 1979 and his boat no longer watched when it was known there was an enhanced threat that year and there had been recent attempts on his life, including an attempt to place a bomb on Shadow V? Why was the bodyguard Graham Yuill’s security audit warning of threats in July 1979 ignored and he quickly reposted to Hong Kong? Might it be possible, for whatever reason, that Mountbatten did not want too much security?

For years friends, family and staff claimed Mountbatten was not bisexual. My book, drawing on dozens of sources, shows that was not true. I fear the same campaign by supporters is being mounted again on another issue trying to smear Mountbatten’s two brave victims with the Carl Beech brush. I have always dismissed Beech as either a complete fantasist or someone who received a large amount of money to invent his absurd stories to discredit genuine survivors of sex abuse. It is now well known that Beech had massive funds available to him, far more than he could have earned or saved.

I am a Cambridge-trained historian who follows the evidence and stand by what I have written.

Yours sincerely,

Dr Andrew Lownie

Andrea B. · 27-08-2022 5:33am

We will probably find out he was in Apache Pizza in Kiltimagh on any alleged dates.

corner of hells · 27-08-2022 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526943#Comment_119526943

Kevin Myers has made a career out of writing controversial articles , managing to get accused of both misogyny and antisemitism to the point he had to apologise and can no longer writarlue for a couple of newspapers.

He could have similarly written military critiques on Market Garden , the Warsaw Uprising , the Dresden Firsetorm etc.

Danzy · 27-08-2022 12:12pm

Mountbatten was a known child abuser going back to the 50s.

It's like posting a revelation about Jimmy Saville at this stage.

One eyed Jack · 27-08-2022 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528792#Comment_119528792

Nah man, the difference being at least with Saville ~~he was found guilty of abusing children.~~

(he wasn’t, that was my mistake)

There’s nothing but gossip and rumours so far in this thread, nothing substantive, nothing credible. What IS common knowledge however, is that their political opponents liked to smear anyone with the paedo label, making it that much more difficult to determine who was, and wasn’t abusing children, and who was just trying to inflict reputational damage on their political opponents.

brokenangel · 27-08-2022 12:46pm

Edit

Zebra3 · 27-08-2022 12:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528907#Comment_119528907

Savile was found guilty of abusing kids?

One eyed Jack · 27-08-2022 12:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528931#Comment_119528931

Cheers for the correction on that one Z 😂

Brucie Bonus · 27-08-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526915#Comment_119526915

Made the same error myself. Only one kid was local/not related. Not that that stops some.

elperello · 27-08-2022 1:20pm

Paul Maxwell was from Enniskillen.

He was 15 when he was killed by an IRA bomb which was placed on Mountbatten's boat.

This is his picture in school uniform.

corner of hells · 27-08-2022 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528969#Comment_119528969

To err is human, to forgive is devine

Nobody's perfect.

Large bottle small glass · 27-08-2022 1:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526544#Comment_119526544

It was the worst day in troubles for British for losses I think.

Warrenpoint really showed how IRA had developed as a guerrilla force. They placed a bomb in a hay trailer and denotated it from safety across the water in Co Louth when the Army Patrol passed.

They had realised after an incident the Army normally set up command in nearest building. In this case the castle had been rigged with explosives.

This is what killed most of the soldiers.

Still stihl waters 3 · 27-08-2022 1:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529139#Comment_119529139

A brilliant ambush, it's such a pity about the innocent lives lost that day in Warrenpoint and Mullaghmore, there's no excuse for the cowardly murders that happened that day

27-08-2022 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529190#Comment_119529190

Always was suprised their wasn't more made of British paratroopers firing live rounds across the border into the state,what other country would put up with this

Though the memorial at warrenpoint hasn't been damaged since Willie Frazier went to his eternal reward🧐

skallywag · 28-08-2022 10:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530347#Comment_119530347

They killed one civilian that day who they saw in the distance and assumed was responsible. I cannot remember which side of the border he was on.

Ironically it was an English chap on holiday in the region as I recall.

Danzy · 28-08-2022 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529190#Comment_119529190

War is not a nice or clean business. The IRA in the North had about 7 of 10 it killed being involved in the State or military. Incredibly high.

Not much comfort to the unfortunates innocents who died.

Mountbatten and the soldiers in Warrenpoint found that their actions caught up with them. It was a great success.

Ironically the civilian killed in Warrenpoint was an Englishman fishing. He was shot by a soldier, little did he realise that his Army had an open season policy on the natives when on duty in Ireland.

He was standing on the shore in County Louth.