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Live beside Focus-Ireland managed apartment block, kids wreaking havoc outside, what can I do?

  • 24-08-2022 7:05pm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush

    So it's a four block complex, three situated around one communal area.

    Three of the four are managed by a private company, the fourth is managed by focus Ireland and apartments therein are allocated to those who cannot provide for themselves.

    It's not unusual there's fires, drug use, there's even been murder.

    Ambulances, fire brigade and police show up probably about once at quarter at least.

    Anyways, I live in another block situated around that communal area.

    Every so often kids from the Focus-Ireland managed apartment block come to "play" in the area, sometimes supervised by their care-giver, sometimes not (it makes no difference to their behavior).

    Normally there's about two or three of them. They kick a heavy leather football, sometimes a basketball around. They're about between 7 and 11 years old at a guess.

    Naturally they take aim at the apartment walls, windows and doors from time to time.

    I told them off the first time, at which point it became clear to me they're from backgrounds with basically zero discipline. Feral youth, basically. Got cussed out pretty heavily whilst one kid waved his arms violently, grabbed his crotch, made threatening motions.

    My size or assertiveness is of little relevance, they're kids, you can't really do anything.

    Their care giver, an over weight woman, sometimes comes out to watch them (she's the mother to one of them but I don't think they live with her). They do nothing different. I actually believe she encourages them to misbehave which is of little surprise as I've heard her address other residents by telling them to "go fuck themselves" or she'll "break their fuckin' jaw for them", yelling aggressively etc. They've taken to knocking bits out of a large ventilation duct from the underground parking area, the fins that form the duct, by kicking their football or basketball into it.

    This seems to me to be obvious property damage. So when they knock out a piece of metal this heavy clanging sound rings out as it hits the concrete. I've grown accustomed to this sound.

    The area is otherwise quiet, not a "rough" area (though in apartment complexes you're always going to get some idiots but it's mostly fine decent folk).


    Anyways what can I do?

    I wrote to our management company twice without response (though they did repair the ventilation duct damage). I spoke with the complex security manager who said that cause that block is managed by Focus-Ireland, being a separate management firm, our private management can't address the issue.

    He also said those kids are a local nuisance and are caught shop lifting from time to time etc. Any experience or pointers?

    Could law enforcement do anything?




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭sprucemoose

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,605 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject

    Maybe she doesn't like your attitude and is deliberately antagonising you?

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭Jim_Hodge

    Probably pee'd off having a judgemental, bigoted neighbour talking down to her.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush

    She's never met me.

    But honestly I get the feeling she's trying to antagonize the entire apartment complex.

    As she yells aggressively whilst stood in the middle of the communal area (courtyard).

    "Fuck you, go fuck yourself, I'll break your jaw" etc etc.

    Her kids have acquired a similar verbal repertoire.

    It feels like she's "daring" someone to come out and tell her to keep it down, or keep her kids under control.

    Like she actually wants a confrontation, so she can blow of steam or something?

    I think she knows cause she's housed by Focus-Ireland, potentially under the care of a psychiatrist/on-medication? She's impervious is some ways.


  • While it doesn't happen often, anti social tenants can be moved or evicted but it needs lots of evidence and history of complaints. So not only you but the management company and neighbours need to start building up a case to make it happen

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭Jim_Hodge

    That's almost always in relation to actual events though, as opposed to fictional rants.

  • If it's the apartments I think it is, there are serious ongoing anti social issues.

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,104 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble

    The OP says

    Ambulances, fire brigade and police show up probably about once at quarter at least

    Once every three months doesn't sound that bad.

    Unless s/he means once a quarter-hour 😉

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,605 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject

    I don't think anyone would deny this happens, but I don't buy a bit of this. I would have huge sympathy for anyone genuinely experiencing this.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush

    Yeah some spots in Dublin I could only imagine the horridness that goes on, that other tenants can literally do absolutely nothing about.

    I mean I guess they could "take matters into their own hands" but, then you know that's when law enforcement would meaningfully come into effect.

    Terrible situation to be in, especially with so little alternate accommodation available.

    Where I'm living isn't in their block (the focus-ireland block), but it's directly opposite it.

    So most of their BS stays inside their building, but at times like mentioned in the OP it effects others (me) also.


    The lack of meaningful suggestions as to how to address it alludes to it potentially being one of those, "nothing you can really do" type of situations.

    I guess I'll speak with my local Garda district office, follow up with a chat to the regional focus-ireland branch.

    Mention I've corresponded twice with management, show them pictures of the property damage.

    All else fails I guess I could go on Joe Duffy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear

    I dont particularly like the tone of your post for a start and to me it appears that what you are complaining about is kids being kids in this modern day and age. A view point I would take is - they are, as you mentioned, coming from an area where there are issues related to what amounts to poverty which leads to anti social behaviour or whatever you want to call it. A few kids want an escape for a few hours from their homestead and decide to kick a ball. Both the terminology you are using in calling them feral and mentioning irrelevant information about their carer being over weight belies the attitude that you really have. Could I respectfully suggest you perhaps speak to the carer and enquire as to the situation , maybe tell the kids "lads will you stop kicking the football against the windows or doors, walls are fine" and then go about trying to encourage how green areas might be a bit better for the kids. Finishing off with going on Joe Duffy really sums up your post and your abhorrent attitude.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 940 ✭✭✭rightmove

    Slow maybe out of breath - not able to mind the kids..aint got the energy! Maybe its for narrative building reasons?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭AlanG

    Best to go down and talk to the kids, and keep talking to them in a friendly manner. They will either start respecting you or get pissed off and move along.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭StevenToast

    Leave this place and move to Leitrim...never go back.

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,937 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth

    Move, in the time it takes to get better you could have been much happier somewhere else. The problem tenants are unlikely to change and eviction takes years in Ireland.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,197 ✭✭✭timmyntc

    The quickest solution is for you to move.

    Housing bodies dont really care about you, or anti-social behaviour, they just care about meeting their targets for x amount of people housed and getting people off the list.

    We had dealings with one such body before in relation to a tenant from hell, stealing from neighbours, drugs, fights, noise, parties etc. Hundreds of complaints from neighbours. Heads of the OMC were adamant that we should all call the gardai, note the time etc, then make a report to housing body with reference to the gardai being called (time & date) for their records.

    Ultimately though it took one of them stealing a neighbours car, and subsequently crashing and dying in a car chase with the gardai for the rest of them in that apartment to be moved by the housing body. Pretty grim, but it shows you just how serious an incident needs happen before these housing bodies take action.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭banie01

    Not to mention the rampant overrunning of the parking spaces by trannies 😮

  • Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭mvt

    Just want to say if the OP is an owner they are the management company & I think they might mean they are complaining to the management agents.

    Maybe get onto the directors or better still put yourself forward as one - you can do that at any time.

    The problem tenant might be moved on but you might get another one in their place, just another fun aspect of living in an apartment complex.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush

    To be honest I count my blessings every day I managed to get this place at all.

    Being able to "move" at will is a luxury not at my disposal currently.

    Besides which this wasn't a thread titled, "should I move?"; it was seeking advice as to how to manage a horrible and difficult, yet unfortunately not uncommon situation.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Sugar_Rush

    Not to be prejudiced but the degree to which this happens in council housing estates must make it a living hell being housed there.

    What blows my mind is if another tenant (me in this instance) addressed this situation in a more "hands on" way, suddenly I'm a terrorist.

    It's crazy.