Andrew Tate

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119536959#Comment_119536959

Not "right or wrong", but when I personally find it worthwhile. Interesting guest on and I'll watch because the long format leads to more interesting discussion, DMT, ancient aliens, conspiracy theories and that sorta stuff I find both uninteresting and usually bastshít daft BroScience so I won't watch as I don't find it worthwhile.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537058#Comment_119537058

Why would you support someone who behaves as he does (mocking the parent of a very ill child) and spreading damaging misogyny that's similar to that of islamic fundamentalists?

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537173#Comment_119537173

You could say that about anything though

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537518#Comment_119537518

No really. Little would convince me to bother with watching Turbidy interviewing anyone on the Late Late. Too much noise to signal going on.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119532966#Comment_119532966

There is an issue that's been pointed out numerous time over how a small numbers of players, facebook, youtube, twitter, are now the medium for communication or news for a lot of people. They maybe private enterprises with their own T&Cs, but as their control over information continues to grow they eventually take on a role more like a public utility. Its a old debate, its a bit like Rupert Murdoch in the pre-internet age, but with more power and control.

It is possible to disagree with almost everything Andrew Tate says (e.g. if he says smoking is bad for your health, I'll agree with that), but still believe he has a right to say it.

Unless he breaking certain laws, or the other usual caveats for free speech, inciting violence etc.

I've no real interest in the guy, and the few short clips Ive seen, he's basically a troll, trying to generate controversy and publicity.

So he sets out to offend, but has anyone outlined exactly why this person should disappeared from the online world? Apart from being offensive. I'm not defending him - would just like to know the specifics. The problem with cheering on the censoring of others opinions is that it makes it much easier censor any opinions.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537765#Comment_119537765

Agreed on that

Is he banned from boards.ie ? That will really set him back

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538029#Comment_119538029

If he wants to say what he wants he can stand on a street corner with a megaphone or start his own service. nobody is obliged to give him a platform. He is not being censored. if you think he is you don't understand what the word means.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538270#Comment_119538270

Censorship isn't always good or bad. It is what it is:

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient". Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions and other controlling bodies.

The meaning is clear.

Couple of issues at stake here.

e.g. some of them:

Andrew Tate is offensive and seeks to offend, but is he sufficiently dangerous for his videos to be removed from view?

Does the size and scope of the social media giants, effectively an oligarchy, mean that they have a larger social responsibility? e.g. to remove illegal and dangerous content, or on the other hand, to give platform to different points of view.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119519285#Comment_119519285

Actually a lot of them do it just for the money. Grifters like this dont actually really have strong personal opinions. Its just creating shock jock and outrage porn pieces so they can make money.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538505#Comment_119538505

Private institutions don't make laws, they just enforce their own rules. Should we have the government force them to make rules for their own forums?

It's on this very thread. You're even coming up with a hypothesis to defend the indefensible? What mess-up would cause the child to become ill? Why "her"? Looks more like a father to me. Nothing justifies mockery.

People do misuse the word "misogyny" but that doesn't mean the actual thing doesn't exist.

Link deliberately from the Daily Mail rather than a liberal publication: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11154837/How-king-toxic-masculinity-corrupted-generation.html

It's grand if you're a man, but it's grim if you're a woman. Especially when he is poisoning young lads' minds.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538606#Comment_119538606

But Alex Jones has the right to cancel other people?

See number 19.

https://infowarsarmy.com/terms-of-service/

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538688#Comment_119538688

So infowars which tells us the "real news" that "they" don't you to know and where everyone can express their public opinion on a platform isn't a kind of platform that you could say isn't private?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538699#Comment_119538699

Well there is an issue in Islam with attitudes towards women.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538712#Comment_119538712

To give people a platform to express their "opinions" publicly (but only if their Alex approved)?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538739#Comment_119538739

Self loathing does that. But we all know that there are problems with attitudes towards women within Islam.

SnuggyBear

It's fairly standard now to bash men and its fine.

What has Andrew Tate even said about that's so bad? That he thinks women are worse drivers? He really hasn't said anything outlandish enough to be banned from everything. It's unbelievable.

Anyone who supports this is just weak a person.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539020#Comment_119539020

You don't have to pick one or the other - you can condemn both anti men and anti women crap.

It's disingenuous to deny that this guy holds very hostile views towards women. Obviously it would be no big deal if he just said women are worse drivers - why pick a minor thing?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539020#Comment_119539020

If you think he was banned for saying women are worse drivers you have (thankfully) not being paying much attention to him.

I suspect you're a 'Top G' though and are well aware of what your daddy has been up to. I'd say you typed the above whilst the tears dripped onto your keyboard.

buried

The way things are going lately, I assume that if I admit that I don't even know who this lad is, I might get vilified for it.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119535774#Comment_119535774

His not per say I say. Anytime they see x or y is banned over something they have to go into overdrive and go after the woke #behind to shoehorn people to show how edgey and winning against the libertards they are.

By there own admission they have no idea who this person is by saying I bet what he says is not that bad.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119537058#Comment_119537058

So let me get this straight you support regardless of what he says because its seems to upset some people. Does everyone who disagree with him fall it to those categories. Have you even looked him up. Yours basically on to try and own the libetards.

Sad really rather then actually actually trying to debate.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119539358#Comment_119539358

Exactly. More extreme example is pretending to think the invasion of Ukraine is totally justified.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

Defending a pimp and human trafficker to own the libs. This would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.

There's no such thing as free speech. Nobody has ever been able to publish or broadcast anything they feel like. FreeDOM of speech is not under a private company's remit. It's not just libs who object to this scumbag's behaviour - it's people of any political leaning, so maybe let "owning the libs" go. It's stupid.

By his own admission he moved to Romania partly because it's easier to get off on a rape charge there. And also, this "champion for men" made millions by scamming... men.

There are plenty of grubby little scumbags of all kinds of political persuasions across social media who haven't been banned. The "freeze peach" crowd are very selective in what they support. One would almost suspect their "free speech" thing isn't that sincere! Misogyny like that is dangerous - it emboldens the likes of Elliott Rodger. Only weirdos who don't give a sh1t about their sisters would actually support him. The rest should think for themselves and not be such slaves to owning the woke. Silly.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

People who look up to thicko grifters like Tate, Joe Rogan (yes I put him in this bracket, let’s not forget how long he promoted anti-vaccine propaganda), Elon Musk, and Jordan Peterson really need to wake up. Maybe spend some time in the real world, do some meaningful voluntary work, and be the protagonist in your own life rather than worship confidence artists. Be your own Daddy.

Just because the lads I mentioned above “manipulate social media algorithms”doesn’t mean they’re these released-from-the-Matrix geniuses who has stuff figured out us mere mortals never could even imagine. They’re just good at shamelessly grabbing attention. That’s all there is. There’s no difference between them and the kid who ate his own snot for a laugh in school. Absolutely no difference.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119538597#Comment_119538597

The poster you’re replying to thinks that the solution for climate change is “more capitalism” and that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos will literally fly off into space to bring back more minerals for humanity to thrive with. However he also believes that the government should intervene when it comes to YouTube’s terms and conditions.

You’re talking to a very confused proto-libertarian. I’m hoping that he’s just a teenager just trying to figure out his own ideology. The worst case scenario is that he is someone in his 20s and 30s who spent his whole life being a massive thicko and just decided to learn how to think fifteen years after actually smart people did. I pray that it isn’t the latter. I will light a candle for him.

Starfire20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119540454#Comment_119540454

the right to free speech doesnt give you freedom from consequences.

you can be a **** person all you want and espouse **** views but no one else needs to listen to or platform them.

looks like tater tot has failed in the marketplace of ideas