So a 9 year old girl is killed in England by a male coward and they still call him what he is not.

AMKC

I think anyone that does anything like this or drives a vehicle into a crowd or sets a bomb of be it male or female then they should just be called a coward and if so needed then a male or a female coward because that is all they are. That is all they deserve. They should not use their name or the pronouns that most people go by.

Jequ0n

Care to provide a link or so?

osarusan

Pretty bizarre thing to take away from this horrible shooting.

NIMAN

I have no idea what the op is chatting about.

What did they call the perpetrator?

ohnonotgmail

I presume it is something to do with this

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-62658221

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515398#Comment_119515398

His nationality/religion never occurred to me until now , I guess that’s where he wants the thread to go

NIMAN

Ah right, makes sense now if that's what op is hinting at.

But I don't see why the police wouldn't describe a suspect by their race or ethnicity if it helps catch them quicker or get possible information.

Then again, the police is England seem very quick not to offend.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515424#Comment_119515424

No that is not what I am getting at at all. It's the media saying a man shot a 9 year old girl or drove a cat at pedestrians or used a knife etc. They do not deserved that title. If it was me it would simply be "A coward shot a 9 year old girl" because that is all he is for shooting the poor girl. May she Rest In Peace.

PsychoPete

There's a lot of words I'd use to describe the man that committed that crime and "coward" wouldn't be one of them

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515580#Comment_119515580

Because the kind of reporting you’re looking for is the kind of emotive rhetoric used by tabloid rags like the Daily Mail to try and get idiots all fired up and keep their revenue rolling in. It’s a very successful strategy if you’re not interested in reporting the news and instead you’re more interested in winding people up. That’s why other media outlets don’t really refer to scumbags who engage in scumbag behaviour.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515580#Comment_119515580

How is he a coward?

Who or what is he afraid of?

ArmaniJeanss

Calling him 'a coward' would seem an inherently risky thing to do, (as well as excessively tabloidy as said).

"I think Tommo next door might have had something to do with it, I might go and arrest him myself seeing as he's being described as a bit of a coward."

Whereas as with a bit of coke in him he is likely as brave as a lion, albeit also a scumbag with a reckless disregard for his own well-being and others in the vicinity.

Grab All Association

Would there be this much anger if the intended target were killed?

Truth is nobody there really gives a crap about this poor child; her death will be just used for baying for blood/mob mentality. Cliche overweight gummy mouthed brexiteer types screaming on ITV news whilst the prison van is arriving at court.

The gunman screwed up, shot the wrong person. Charge is manslaughter at best which he'll hopefully caught and brought to justice for.

The place is gone to **** there, but hey, they voted for it. Austerity for 12+ years, cuts to policing, social services etc.

Nothing will change unless they kick the Tories out of power.

GreeBo

What a bizarre thing to object to OP.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058260146/so-a-9-year-old-girl-is-killed-in-england-by-a-male-coward-and-they-still-call-him-what-he-is-not

I've no idea what the point is here. I think people deserve to know who committed a crime like this when it happens.

mick087

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515708#Comment_119515708

IMO I think it’s the Guardian reading remoaners types with their private health and dental care packages that be screaming at the TV and they be screaming give the man a chance it was not deliberate, whist the mother of the murdered child is in floods of tears.

The man who did this deserves life in prison.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515947#Comment_119515947

Nah, the Tories have gutted the criminal justice system in this country. Courts, barristers, legal aid and policing have been gutted. The tired old remoaner trope doesn't change that.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515708#Comment_119515708

Castration required - to make sure his like don't breed. That'd be the minimum, I think this likely exceeds manslaughter. He shot with intent to kill or injure, it wasn't done in the heat of anger etc. If he had fired randomly into a crowd and killed someone, it wouldn't be manslaughter. And that's effectively what he did - three people in a hallway.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515708#Comment_119515708

What the hell are you blaming Brexit and the tories for? Evil bastards like these were the spawn of other evil bastards and they’ve probably fathered the next generation of evil bastards.

Too much of a “there there” approach to the scumbags. Harassing and bringing down communities who just want to get on with their lives in peace.

tmh106

Why a coward? I don't get that. As someone else said there are a lot of things you could call such a person, but I don't get why coward is one of them. He might well be a coward, but equally he might not. From the details I've read of the case there is nothing that would indicate one way or another.

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515580#Comment_119515580

Sorry but if they had said "a person shot and killed a 9yr old girl" and left it at that, the first thing I would have thought would be, " was it a man or a woman ffs"

It kinda helps getting info out there if you are going to catch them.

JP Liz V1

Murdering Vile Scumbag

RIP Little Angel

Jequ0n

Very little is known so far so why not wait for more information to become available before you start foaming at the mouth?

Someone has been arrested so it’s not like the police are entitle clueless. Also, it sounds like the mother opened the door to investigate the “fireworks” outside and the shooter fired at the house. Doesn’t sound like she or her daughter were the intended targets, but that they ended up as collateral damage in a dispute.

There is huge interest in the case so there will be updates as soon as they are ready to be released.

Pissy Missy

Unfortunately it happened in a rough area where stabbings and killing have happened, unfortunately another horror story was inevitable

Dial Hard

This is the weirdest fcuking thread ever. And that's saying a lot, considering it's CA/IMHO.

Jaysus, what?!

The shooter is very likely to be high on cocaine: At such a "dosage" of cocaine he does not care about who they actually hit.

Hopefully if he's caught, his prospects, in prison, are very bleak - for killing a child. In the moral of the male prison hierarchy, the gang leader inmates will plan and carry out his demise.

anewme

They guy who ran into their house (intended target) was part of a criminal gang and out on early release for a string of burglaries.

His friends ran in and took him out of the house to hospital and left a 9 year old girl dying in her Mother's (who was also shot) arms.

Evil people walk among us.

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516487#Comment_119516487

Wasn't the mother shot through the wrist and it was the same bullet that penetrated the child?

It wasn’t as heinous as the killing of the girl but grabbing your mate (who they took to hospital) and leaving the girl and her mother makes them just a rung below the killer on the bastard ladder.

sydthebeat

does the op think the noun "man" means a brave person?

Can a man not be a coward?

Annasopra

My only thoughts are with the girls family and friends

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515708#Comment_119515708

Killing the wrong person doesn't make it manslaughter. It is still murder.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516312#Comment_119516312

The details as known were given this morning - gang victim being pursued down the street, shots firing, woman opens door to see what's going on, gang victim pushes past her into her house, gunman pursues, woman goes to close door, gunman gets his arm through and shoots randomly into the hall. Hits woman in wrist, the gang victim and the child. Gang victim's mates run in and take him out, just go past the dying child and cart him off to hospital. Not a pretty picture. The death sentence should be applicable for gunman but at minimum long jail term and castrate him.

Collie D

I’m not sure which is more scummy - the shooting or the toerags picking their pal up and leaving the child and mother there. Although she probably understandably didn’t want be anywhere near them.

Awful incident.

dontmindme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516952#Comment_119516952

Might it be possible in the commotion that they never noticed the child?

billyhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515947#Comment_119515947

Life in prison is no use. It should be the death penalty. A life for a life.

Collie D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516977#Comment_119516977

That’s a fair point. Although if these lads had any sense of conscience or decency they’d have given up the shooter by now - I’m sure they know who it was.

Which brings me to another thought. The police appealed to the criminal community to give a name - that’s only likely to happen as a bargaining chip rather than out of any thought of the child getting justice in my opinion.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119517021#Comment_119517021

They have already been given a name.

brokenangel

You would want to be a real s**k f**k (excuse my language) to kill a child

The killer, the gang the whole lot should be found and thrown into a deep dark cell

Overheal

Yeah why Florida Man not Florida Person. You cracked it OP this is the first world problem of our entire generation.

There are far more extreme and fitting words for him but professional news reporting is done without emotion/opinion.

Op-ed type pieces will give more of a description.

TheIrishGrover

... Duplicate

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515612#Comment_119515612

And one of those words also behind with the letter "C"...

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515708#Comment_119515708

Nobody really cares? What!?

Dial Hard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119518537#Comment_119518537

I'm not quite sure what point the OP was trying to make, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't that.

notAMember

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119517594#Comment_119517594

Oh I see. He shouldn't be called a man, so he should be called a woman's body part, as an insult. Fecks sake.

The OP's point is that he, as a man, doesn't like being identified with the same word as this criminal.

El_Duderino 09

Why not just stick with accurate description of the suspect? Is coward the most accurate description of the suspect in this case? Probbaly not. If youre using coward as an insult then stick to reading the tabloids.

Apart from anything else, if you use coward as an insult, then it won't be long until being called a coward by the media becomes a badge of honour in criminal circles. Just stick to accurate descriptions in proper media and let the tabloids do the emotional fluff pieces.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119518553#Comment_119518553

The poster wasn’t wrong though. Nobody really cares because they aren’t affected. The situation will just be used to bemoan the leniency on crime etc etc etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515708#Comment_119515708

Yes, "Nobody" genuinely gives a sh1t if they hear that a child has been shot dead.

Also, why does the entire populace get blamed for who's in government? It's a democracy - not every voter voted Conservative. What about the Labour strongholds? And gun toting scumbags will always be around. Kinda weird to bring politics into it.

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119516675#Comment_119516675

It would have made no difference if the target's friends had stopped long enough to bring the girl to hospital. Criminal gang-members are unlikely to be good at first aid - and they certainly wouldn't be able to do anything for someone who has a serious gunshot wound to the chest. Furthermore, it was possible that the killer was still in the area watching from a distance and waiting to 'finish the job'. There's no indication that the target's friends were aware that innocent people had been shot. Olivia's mother might not have trusted a random group of strange men to bring her daughter to hospital even if she had seen them stopping to bring the target to hospital - what if the men in the car had been rapists?

StrawbsM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520024#Comment_119520024

I really have no idea how to respond to this post, PA.