What happened to the Goth / Trashers

yourdeadwright

Exactly what the title says, what happened to all the Goths & Trashers you used to see about the place in the late 90's early 00's,

You know the lads/girls who dressed in all black with the leather coats & big boots and what not, seemed to listen to the music where people scream in to the mic ,

I was never even remotely into the music nor would i ever dress in there outlandish gear but seems like back in the day , People used to be far more likely to dress to there music taste , now everyone just a bit boring & everyone's the same, Now iv always been on of those boring folk but still sad not to see the groups of "crazy" looking lads /girls around the place,

I'm not knocking it just wondering where is that whole scene dead or what happened, surely there still heavy metal nights about the place ( if that's what they where in to)

The reason i ask is was in Galway recently & a chap walked by (I'm sure a nice chap ) in full rig out , First time in well over a decade id seen anyone dressed in that style,

Ash.J.Williams

we're still here

and it's thrash not trash

ohnonotgmail

They got old and had kids and a mortgage.

Irish_rat

It's a sub culture. There is goths who are into the scene but they don't go around dressed in black all day.

Also you won't find them outdoors with mixing with love island Chad's either.

Many like to stay in the inclave neeting away until Halloween comes and the dark evenings draw in. Peter Hook tour should draw a few out of their badger hole.

I'm an avid listener of Joy Division, Xmal Deutschland, Sisters of Mercy, Belgrado, She Past Away etc so yes I'm into it a little.

But I'd agree the hard-core are not in view as much these days, very Conservative country does have an effect.

Strumms

Late ‘90s every class in our school seemed to be populated with about 25% thrasher kids….

german army surplus was the go to fashion and collar length hair that just about escaped the ire of the principal and form teachers…. And those very uncomfortable army surplus bags that always seemed to be falling apart on them…stencilled with band names and a badge or two.

Seemed like a very uncomfortable existence, the bags, jackets etc…

it seems to have died a death…

TheValeyard

Goths are one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse

When you see Goths gather around the central bank an economic collapse is not too far away.

Same thing as in 2008, and Rome 476

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488970#Comment_119488970

Is there any back or clubs that they go to theses days

I remember back in about 2003 a lad i worked with was i a metal band so one Thursda night myself & mate said we go see him play in Fibbers, Totally not our thing we where into Techno back them, anyway we went and the place was crazy , there was a night club down stairs & we stuck out a mile, Although if i recall my mate mooched some young one with a shaved head and tattoos on her head for the crack,

Actually strangely i never forget that night because on the way home we bumped into a Mexican lad on O Connell street with a bottle of tequila on the way home brought him back to the house & smoked a bong & are still mates with him nearly 20 years later,

ELM327

We're now in our thirties and listen to the same music while working from home, or doing housework, or raising kids etc.

ELM327

PS: Your thread inspired me to put on one of my favorite albums from my school days, can't believe it's 20 years old. Beyond the valley of the murderdolls.

yourdeadwright

Just for the record i'm in no way having a go or saying anything bad about Goths /Thrashers , They always seemed like decent folks,

I just found it odd they have all but disappeared,

In fact it just not a thing anymore is it to dress to your music taste ,

Deebles McBeebles

It's like anything, OP, how many emo kids do you see around? As for the goths/thrashers, we grew up and had stuff to do. We left behind our black mascara, leather coats and devotion to Satan (Hail Satan!) in order to work and all that nonsense.

Now, there is still the odd one around (from back in the day) who does the whole metal shctick still but c'mon, time to let it go when your dreadlocks have receded lads.

Playing golf, working in accounting, and having discussions about patio furniture.

You still see the odd old metal head who is “keeping it real”. Especially in country towns. Metal T-shirt, huge belly, a skullet, terrible colour from decades of alcohol abuse, one of those denim jackets with lots of band patches, maybe a wallet chain.

What's a thrasher? Is it like a grunger? /tosses fringe out of eyes

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489955#Comment_119489955

No idea , i thought they where the same as Goths but I'm no expert.,

WesternZulu

There used to be a few of them when I finished school back in 2003.

I think that social media has ultimately led to the end of such subcultures. Everyone is so image conscious these days that instead of the internet being a vessel that enables subcultures it stops young people from outwardly expressing themselves in the way goths did back in the day.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488970#Comment_119488970

Add Christian death to your list they are amazing

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489924#Comment_119489924

I guess the question that leads to is there no new generation ?

Completely understand the guys our age are in Goth retirement so to speak but what about the kids

Strumms

Those green army surplus coats the Trashers wore looked as uncomfortable as fück,, were they ?

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489955#Comment_119489955

Thrash: name given to a new style of metal circa 1981 by fusing British metal of its time with punk , originators would be Metallica and exodus and other Bay Area friends

Ray Palmer

Goths are still about in small numbers but most just tone it down. There were radically different sub cultures. Not many people commit to life to their teenage years but some stick with it.

I went into an old haunt with a friend a few years ago and saw a guy still dressed like he was when he was 14. He was seen as some kind of dangerous old man of cool which was hysterically funny to us because we remember him from back in the day. He was not cool in the day but he started to showing off to us that everyone knew his name and thought he was cool. When you are in your forties going to a pub to be admired by people 20-30 years younger than you is creepy not cool. He was creepy back in the day too so not much changed.

He started going on about back in the day and how much fun we all had to impress his little worshipers. It was really weird as he was making it out like he was key to our old group and he came up with all these mad plans and schemes. The thing is a very good friend who is since dead was the main mad man and this fellow certainly wasn't at some of these events. At best he would occasionally be with us but then he would creep out the girls so was mostly excluded from the group. It all nearly came to serious blows as we called out his BS and he started getting angry and forgot we didn't find him intimidating. He got a few literal slaps to his face and told not to claim another person's life again. His little group couldn't figure out what was going on because this alleged hard man was slapped about by some aged hippy looking guy and he was petrified. I hope it also made some of the young women around him realise what he was truly like.

I think if you still dress the same way all your life there is something off.

Hangdogroad

Distinctive youth subcultures in general definitely aren't as prevalent as they used to be.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490224#Comment_119490224

They really aren't in a time where everyone is "Free " to be whoever they want everyone seems to conform to be the same,

I think someone hit the nail on the head when they said ridicule on social media may play a huge part in people wanting to just fit in ,

I guess as a bloke in his 40's its just another thing from our childhood that is now a relic of the past ,

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490028#Comment_119490028

Those ex German army parka jackets were great. There was a fleece lining you could take out, so warm in the winter, cool in the summer. Plenty of pockets. And most of them had a sewn up tear in them that you could pretend was the bullet hole that killed the original owner.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119488970#Comment_119488970

But Ireland was much more conservative 35-40 years ago, and that's when those folk were most visible. They've just become middle-aged/old. I'm a huge Joy Division fan too (and I really like what I've heard by SoM and Xmal Deutschland) but I'm not in my late teens/20s so I'm not gonna be hanging around town on a Saturday with my similarly dressed pals. Those folk haven't really been a thing since the early '90s, from what I've observed.

But yeah in the early '80s there were punks, new romantics, rockers (the early metallers), ska-heads, mods, goths (kind of a mixture of punk, glam rock and new romantics) - numerous tribes. It's not like that now.

Ash.J.Williams

for some people music is something more than a fad and stays with them , it’s not a sign of immaturity like some posters are alluding to

i personally live and breathe music

rossie1977

Obviously that style of music is not that popular anymore. Back in late 80s/early 90s thrash metal be it Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax were selling millions of records and their singles getting radio time and especially MTV time.

Rock music in general is dead since the late 90s. Nu Metal phase was probably the last shout of a dying genre. Fans still exist in their thousands though, go to Download Festival or Rock Am Ring and you will see everyone dressed up.

I don't know anything about goth music sorry.

dorothylives

We got middle aged. Lets be honest, a 50 something year old dressed in full on Goth gear just looks kind of sad and desperate. Middle age is unkind to a body and Goth clothes are cruel and unforgiving to middle aged bodies.

Dial Hard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490352#Comment_119490352

I think the emergence and visibility of such sub-cultures was *because* Ireland was so conservative. Teens were rejecting that, but there was also safety in numbers so they tended to group together and were more noticeable/visible as a consequence.

These days the country is an entirely different place and there's a lot less to rebel against. The trade off is that things have become a lot more homogeneous.

Ash.J.Williams

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You don’t seem to know much at all in fairness

I had forgotten about the screamo music.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489942#Comment_119489942

Then there are the sad stories.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489942#Comment_119489942

Will these guys still dress the same when in a nursing home in years to come? will there be Pantera tribute acts coming into the nursing home to do a show for them?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490381#Comment_119490381

But who said that about music? It's the clothes and style that's being referred to. I live and breathe music too - possibly more than ever - I just don't go around in full-on goth gear.

Music ain't what it used to be either is it ? Long gone are the 90's and to a degree the early 00's in terms of rock and metal it's mostly the same bands from back then doing it now.

Look at gigs here over the summer, Chili peppers, Weezer, Green Day, G'N'R and the big ones coming Garth and the Boss? When they retire I shudder to think what will fill stadiums in the summer.

AndrewJRenko

A sighting in the wild

https://twitter.com/petefarrell14/status/1559908258286125064?s=21&t=GHJbZp2Ma2zvO8PNoKTBFw

Capt'n Midnight

Global warming and the hole in the ozone layer wiped them out.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491806#Comment_119491806

Jez the queue there today at the old central bank for Krispy Kreme was both hilarious and tragic

pgj2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y9NHVwX2Do

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491819#Comment_119491819

Nearly as tragic as this.

Suckit

These will all be hitting 60 shortly. Two from massive families too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDogh7J1-5s

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491840#Comment_119491840

What if anything is there now or is it still empty, the street view suggests it's still empty.

Irish_rat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491763#Comment_119491763

Dress as a goth but don't like goth music ... ok

Irish_rat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491801#Comment_119491801

Music is still good. Now I wouldn't be a fan of any of the above apart from early green day stuff. A lot of dad rock there.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491941#Comment_119491941

Wouldn't be a fan of a few of them, but all would be absolutely great to see live, and something you may regret in about 10 years if you miss them. But out of curiosity, who would you want to see in a stadium?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491935#Comment_119491935

Pretend someone said something that they didn't say... ok.

Irish_rat

https://youtu.be/oy2x_kHCy4w

She Past Away

https://youtu.be/IMtx8mizzck

Belgrado

https://youtu.be/F5ixNXa6Nuc

Lebanon Hannover

https://youtu.be/k5411duvNeE

Drab Majesty

Some of the best coldwave/goth from the last 10 years. Very solid albums. There is a bunch more but these would be the standouts for me

cj maxx

I was a kind of goth lite in the 90's going to "alternative clubs where Newcastle brown ale in bottles was the only drink stocked ( England )

I never dressed as one or grew my hair though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119489596#Comment_119489596

Exactly. The opening poster specifically talked about not seeing those with the clothes/style/image around the place anymore. Not a word about whether people listen to the music still or not. What's with the clown comments implying there cannot be one without the other? 🙄

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119490485#Comment_119490485

Do you feel good about being so rude?

Irish_rat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491959#Comment_119491959

😅😄

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bodhrandude

OP I think the up coming Cure gig in Dublin should answer your question, the goths came out of the woodwork at Electric Picnic 2012 when the Cure headlined on the Saturday night, they're still about but only come out these days for big events like these.