Why did Trump take top Secret Nuclear documents?

Akrasia

Following the FBI raid it has emerged that Trump had taken multiple boxes of top secret documents relating to the US nuclear weapons program and kept them at his golf resort.

When Trump was asked to return them, he deliberately failed to return these documents.

Why did he do this?

Strumms

Probably just to piss off the feds, he is the ultimate troll after all, he loves the attention as all trolls do. It’s their fuel.

pretty much every US president when their term is up, just disappears into the ether, odd speaking engagement or charity lunch. Trump is on TV giving his jaw some exercise every few days… nonstop practically.

google ‘Donald trump interview’…the borefest of a human is all over the place.

banie01

For the same reason he held payroll info for US spies.

Of no practical use to him, but? Immensely valuable to regimes working to contain US influence and reach.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230

Itssoeasy

Why did he take them ? I mean imo he did it because he’s never been told no in his nearly 80 years of life and that’s fine to a point when he was just a private citizen but when you’ve done what you like, how you like it all your life, with little to no consequences for your actions, then it’s not really a surprise that’s it’s come to this because he felt he could.

Billy Mays

The liberal WOKE media want you to think Trump took those top secret documents

They were actually planted there by Hunter Biden

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058258778/why-did-trump-take-top-secret-nuclear-documents

To clarify: the search warrant receipt that his lawyers signed showed a single box of TS/SCI (Top Secret material and Secured Compartmentalized Information, which is beyond top secret classification and is physical, inventory-controlled, airgapped intel) which was reported to be about 11 different articles of various things they can’t even otherwise confirm for reasons of national security but for which the media has anonymous sourcing suggesting it is nuclear weapon secrets as well as US spy and informant payrolls. Many military watchers are assuming signals intelligence too, which would reveal things like what secure communications the US is capable of decrypting and intercepting across the world. Information that, if leaked, could result in the immediate death of spies or informants, the damaging lost of signals intelligence sources, or even upend the status quo on Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine which, nobody needs to be told, is bad.

For the moment we have no concrete proof of what SCI was taken and, ideally as regard the US, we will never have it confirmed. But DOJ has a 98% conviction rate and they wouldn’t raid TFG without having him dead to rights - either because informants at MAL tipped them off directly, or they accidentally returned some TS/SCI to the national archives earlier this spring (which was reported) or, even scarier potentially, they might have seen the TS/SCI leaked out in the wild since Trump left office.

Wanna bet: he took a US top secret spy satellite photo of Mar a Lago? It would be so on brand of him. It’s not like he hasn’t leaked our spy sat capabilities and resolution etc. before. Perfect for his vanity, a lovely space-view of his “beautiful home”

Akrasia

So the answer seems to be either immense hubris that recklessly endangered us National Security, or treasonous intent.

Neither are a good look for Trump or his followers.

The legal consequences of this remain to be seen but I'm just baffled that he thought he could get away with it. Is this just more of his 'I could shoot a guy on 5th avenue and get away with it' mentality?

I mean if he had even just photocopied the files and returned them he would have had a better chance of getting away with it than just taking the documents and keeping them...

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471940#Comment_119471940

Don’t discount the possibility they WERE photocopies. Which would be a dead to rights situation. Making copies of TS/SCI? Snowden did this.

PalLimerick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471559#Comment_119471559

Lolz no they don't look at Obama he didn't disappear, neither did Clinton or Bush.

patnor1011

One has to be quite simple minded to think that "Trump had taken multiple boxes of top secret documents relating to the US nuclear weapons program and kept them at his golf resort."

He would have to be complete crackhead to keep incriminating evidence on his laptop and then willingly hand it over to total stranger...

Oh nevermind, that is different story. Yeah, is he a crackhead to keep "nuclear weapons program" documents in his safe? Trump's safe is boring. I would be more interested to see what was in Epstein's safe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472005#Comment_119472005

Well, it's a matter of fact by looks of things so I concur, he has proven himself to not be the sharpest... Seems like you're trying to divert.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472005#Comment_119472005

I don't know what you're trying to say here at all

Podge_irl

Because he is profoundly stupid and thinks he owns them. He does not and never has understood the difference between governmental ownership and his own because he thinks being president is like being a medieval king.

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472127#Comment_119472127

But Hunter Biden/Jeffrey Epstein seems to be the gist of it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471617#Comment_119471617

Funniest post I've read in a while :) - genius!

Would have worked even better if you'd said Hilary Clinton though.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472167#Comment_119472167

Fox: “Judge who signed warrant had ties to Epstein case”

Fox: “here to talk about Trumps political persecution please welcome Alan Dershowitz”

…

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058258778/why-did-trump-take-top-secret-nuclear-documents

Can you link where the story of nuclear documents were found?

Strumms

imagine he was arrested .. be unbelievable

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471978#Comment_119471978

None are front and centre every few days in the national and international media… they disappeared in the national and international context…did work, certainly, not courting publicity and espousing critical views on subjects of national and international importance non stop.

Shoog

Because his handlers asked him to.

screamer

Because he could,

duploelabs

Everyone wants their golden parachute when they get kicked out of a job, trump was lining his pockets

SEPT 23 1989

Probably going to do a deal with General Zod to take down Superman

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472127#Comment_119472127

No?

Well, Biden's laptop supposedly held a lot of "evidence" about whole family shady dealing not to mention juniors drug and hookers escapades but somehow nothing happened to anyone... Epstein's safe also rumored to be stuffed with video and pictures of his visitors engaging in some shady business with his underage "friends and employees" - nothing of that ever seen light of the day... Now Trump's cellar supposedly holding boxes of nuclear weapons documentation, someone even mentioned nuclear "codes"...Throw in Loch Ness monster for good measure which supposedly exists according to latest "news"...

This all show how most of the public is gullible and lap up every craziness spouted around because "if it was in the news it must be true" :)

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472232#Comment_119472232

It would be great to see that Clown arrested and even better when he eventually goes to prison. He is the master of his own downfall.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472648#Comment_119472648

Investigations happen because of evidence, there is nothing yet to be seem from a credible source about this supposed laptop with evidence . Still yet to hear anything but whataboutery from the right in defence of trump potentially trading top secret documents with adversary nations

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472488#Comment_119472488

Ex-presidents can make hundreds of thousands of dollars per speech on the after dinner circuit. True, it's not as much money as you'd get selling classified intel, maybe, but it carries no legal jeopardy either.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472730#Comment_119472730

Given trump's well documented inability to fill a venue, I doubt that's a bread winner for him. And he doesn't have much to say bar the debunked stolen election, the longevity of his speaking circuit wouldn't be great

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472648#Comment_119472648

We know for a fact that Trump held documents that he wasn't legally allowed to have. Many of which put national security at risk. Hunter Biden has no relevance to the discussion. If Trump is charged, you'll probably go full q-anon with claims.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472765#Comment_119472765

It's not like he's getting a percentage of the box office on those kinds of speeches. It's a set fee for speaking at private dinners and gatherings. Considering Trump got more votes than any other Republican presidential candidate in history, I'd say he'd be able to get enough offers to speak for big money to make it worth his while.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472648#Comment_119472648

Trump is photographed multiple times with Epstein.

Alan Dershowitz was Epstein’s lawyer. He defended Trump through impeachment. He’s on fox while they argue about the judges ties to Epstein.

Hunter Biden is being Grand Juried, so nobody needs to get their knickers in a twist about Hunter. The DOJ has a 98% conviction rate and it has open grand juries into Hunter and DJT both. Let that sink in.

After he left office the national archives asked for missing material back. This January he finally relented. The archives received 15 boxes. They alerted the DOJ when contents included items marked Classified and Top Secret. The DOJ empaneled a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury issued a subpoena for any and all of the govts property in this matter. His lawyers signed an affidavit in June, affirming to the government that they handed everything back. Either through informants, subpoenaed CCTV footage, or both, they then discovered, this wasn’t potentially the case. This week, the Trump lawyers signed a search warrant affirming that they just returned to the government even more boxes of classified and top secret SCI that they previously attested they did not have. They’re fucked: ‘we affirmed that we have given you everything back’ …2 months and an FBI raid later ‘…oh wait no actually’

https://www.kcra.com/article/mar-a-lago-trump-doj-criminal-inquiry-timeline/40851458