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Irish Times looking for Landlords to have their say



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭WealthyB

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭handlemaster

    There are quite a few there. The landlords giving reduced rent need will always suffer.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99

    Also if you never made a cent, is the house worth less or the same now as it was when you bought it?

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle

    It's market value is irrelevant unless one actually sells it. Then CGT is applicable.

  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99

    Its not though, a property is an investment

    And its absurd and disgusting that we have moved our provision of the need of a roof over ones head to be provided by people who can afford to own more than one asset profiter by charging a premium to people let down by the states duty of care to house them and denied the chance of building their own equity for a lower monthly fee than rent by restricted lending rules

    The landlord v tenant issue is an generational issue between asset rich boomers and a young generation locked out of the market. And it is as such creating a class and asset conflict in this country that will get much worse for all involved with the state doing what it did in the last century and providing decent housing in decent communities for the working person

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭amacca

    By all means don't care.....+ enjoy how well it works out with the same class of cretins that made a complete balls of it at everytime of asking + institutional landlords....sure what could go further wrong?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99

    I think its going to lead to a fundamentally different economic way of doing things in this country.

    More and more people locked out of property living at home until mid 30s will mean more support for the populist left, an end to multinationals who create wealth inequality and a return to pre 1990s Ireland when people has less disposable income for brand clothes etc but could have their basic needs of a home in their communties etc met.

    Either than or we keep down the road of vast inequality leading to a wider divide between rich and the rest and a damaged society

  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭Housing99

    As a student in a different city I was happy to rent, though that should really be provided by the universities themselves. After graduating I was happy renting for maybe a year, by 25 I was actively ashamed of being a renter since that was the stage my parents and siblings had homes at and I was still in a house share. I moved back home recently and took on a second job, which Im taxed at near 50% on for the privilege. And when the savings done unless I keep this up for years and years, realistically Im 30 this year and life needs to actually begin asap so thats not an option, I will be forced to move away from Dublin

    I really just dont understand why they wont take EU structural loans in the hundreds of billions like other nations do and we did for the road network, pay them back over 50 years and build social housing for every single worker who is forced to rent

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭notAMember

    I don't agree that universities should run housing too, and typically they don't , they outsource it. Their core business is education. But even if they did, that's just another private landlord anyway.

    From your circumstances you've wanted or needed rental facilities for 8 to 10 years, but you don't care if none remains? You don't see how that's hypocritical?

    The same cultural problem with social housing happens everywhere. When people don't own their own home, they treat it badly and the housing stock decays. You can look at the first nations reservations in north america, the communist block tenements in various countries and the existing social housing here. Take a walk through some of the social housing estates. People generally, by our nature will put their care and attention into what they own. They will instead maintain things of other value, like cars, horses or put money into high end designer clothes, but they place no value in something they can't sell or pass on to their families. It's up there with direct provision in wrong things to do, morally.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones

    If you believe any government is going to build and subsidise houses for everyone who wants one you will be left severely disappointed.

    Soviet style tower blocks won't even happen

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore

    Any of these faceless investment firms buying up all round them being interviewed?

    Absentee Landlords 2.0?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 47,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder

    interesting feedback in this twitter thread. the comment in one of the articles 'i don't have much profit after mortgage and fees' made me laugh too - you have a property with a mortgage on it, and the rent is *more* than covering the mortgage. let me break out my violin...

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭growleaves

    OP is just a link.

    I am not the type to faint

    When things are odd or things are quaint

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭notAMember

    God forbid people want to make a living by providing a service.

    What is it you do to earn your crust?

  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle

    The "crisis" is due to many factors such as poor planning policies which lead to urban sprawl, poor investment public transport infrastructure, a dominance of demi-D housing and so on, a lack of investment in social housing coupled with the sale of much of the public housing stock.

    It will take a long term plan that is agreed with all or most political parties. This won't happen because our politicians want to be in various photo shoots. The populist mantra of housing for all, etc which is more populist statement than a thought-out policy is being picked up by those desperate for their own home has become par for the course.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave

    Interesting, a journalism lecturer. Maybe that explains a few things about how much of the media seems to talk about landlords.

    Twitter taking its usual line that all landlords are evil greedy b*stards, just waiting behind the door to evict the tenants.

    In all my many years renting (and iv said here a few times) most of my LL were fairly ordinary.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump

    "Earning a crust"

    Step 1: Go to Bank

    Step 2: Fill out forms and get access to other people's money

    Step 3: Figure out how to bid on a house and buy it using that money borrowed from other people.

    Step 4: Get tenants in. Expect said tenants to have zero rights and to also be obligated to pay you enough so that you have "profit" left over after paying all your income tax and loan repayments.

    Step 5: Kick tenants out. Own house which was paid for by tenants.

    Step 6: Sell house and get original purchase tax free.

    Step 7: Whinge about having to pay capital gains tax on the capital gains.

    Do you feel entitled to that "crust" because you just feel special and exceptional, or do you think that steps 1-3 need a unique skillset that only you can provide?