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IRFU Transgender Women Policy Change



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond

    Real poor decision. following on from what RFU did in England and it affects so few players directly as well.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭Itxa

    Looks to me like the IRFU, namely Potts, is playing the percentages here. Sure there is liability either side of this equation but Potts is betting on the minuscule trans community not suing. Understandable in the current environment.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue

    It's a difficult call but the science is overwhelmingly one sided on this.

    For the case by case basis you have to come with a criteria and then monitor it through the athlete's life. The difficulty here is that it's always in the athlete's interest to perform poorly so just accurately measuring their max performance alone becomes a challenge.

    Then there's the criteria to monitor. I do think most people will be surprised at the strength and power differences between males and females, it's pretty big. While the transition process does reduce the difference it comes nowhere near equalizing it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,316 ✭✭✭✭Clegg

    I see the TERFs have noticed

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭Caranica

    Wow. Just wow. This thread has been one of the more progressive in the rugby forum, a few posters aside. Today, not so. As evidenced by the new arrivals to the thread.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue

    Was there ever a case by case policy?

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,027 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34

    Thats a bit of a contradiction in terms.

    But I get what you mean. I think its fair to say that this has been prompted by developments in other Sports and then of course by the recent RFU policy announcement.

    I can understand the IRFU wanting to get ahead of the situation though and in fairness, they have done.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭Caranica

    Mods (I think this includes you @awec) any chance of moving this discussion to its own thread rather than derail the women's rugby thread ten days before our tour starts?

  • What I have in mind is if they're playing something like Clontarf J3's socially, then it's not really much of an issue. But if somebody is tearing it up and clearly using their years of testosterone as an advantage looking to play for Ireland, then treat it differently.

    I completely understand the IRFU's decision and they've been very measured in their response but given that trans people have a disproportionate amount of suicides, I would have gone for a more nuanced approach for 2 people, for now.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue

    It's unpopular to say but there is a reason why the female category exists in sport, it's not just a safety thing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,027 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34

    There was a topic thread started after the RFU announcement a few weeks ago, it was closed down.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭Caranica

    All the more reason to give it its own thread today. It's totally derailing this thread with the Japan tour on the horizon and the 7s RWC just over 4 weeks away

  • Subscribers Posts: 39,481 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89

    The last post on this thread before people started talking about the transwomen issue was 6 days ago?

    There's nothing stopping anyone from posting about the Japan tour or the 7s World Cup.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,420 ✭✭✭✭AMKC

    Ever think that maybe them Trans Women never wanted to go throught that puberty in the first place and would have been very happy to Transition then but the World was not ready for it yet and they or their familys did not know that they were not alone and could do it. All Trans Women would be very happy to have Transitioned before puberty. It's not their fault they might be stronger than other Women its societies fault for taking so dam long to change.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.

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  • But then there's the matter of transition before puberty, and how understandably parents would want to exercise caution around their child of such a young age undergoing such drastic, irreversible bodily changes, as well as the emotional/psychological fallout. What if they regret it? Which does happen.