Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122881985#Comment_122881985

I don't think anyone saw a hitchhiker in Castledermot that night - I think it was just someone who may have been her and who was walking down the street.

The Crimecall video from March 1997 says that someone answering Jo Jo's description was seen hitchhiking outside the school house restaurant in Castledermot at 11:50pm on the night.

That was twenty minutes after the phone call in Moone and 6 miles further south of Moone.

When that person reported that sighting we don't know, but if we are to believe the truck driver who saw the naked woman in Moone at 11pm then it must have been pretty soon after the news of Jo Jo's disappearance went out.

Because that person said they went to the gardai a few days after the news of Jo Jo's disappearance went out and at that point the gardai were telling him there was a sighting in Castledermot.

But of course the problem with Castledermot is that no one has ever come forward to say they gave her a lift to Castledermot.

Gusser09

We know that two witnesses saw a naked and upset woman running through Moone on the night JoJo was abducted murdered and perhaps raped. The Castledermot sighting is a complete red herring in my opinion. BG dropped her at Moone. We know this. Nobody has ever said they gave JoJo a lift to Castledermot. If someone had of they'd have come forward.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883912#Comment_122883912

"but if we are to believe the truck driver who saw the naked woman in Moone at 11pm then it must have been pretty soon after the news of Jo Jo's disappearance went out."

25 years later

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883954#Comment_122883954

What do you mean?

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883972#Comment_122883972

The driver of the truck did not contact the police until 2020.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883942#Comment_122883942

There was a theory going around here a few weeks ago that the person who dropped her to Moone also picked her up in Moone.

The same could be theorized if she actually got to Castledermot.

The person who dropped her to Castledermot, also picked her up from Castledermot.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883988#Comment_122883988

Thats wrong. He contacted Gardai at the time and they, for some seriously strange reason decided not to follow up on it.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122883988#Comment_122883988

That's not actually correct if you go by the Sunday World/Irish Independent story.

Remember that story is told by a randomer who meet that truck driver in 2020 or so, so it's second hand information.

That story is that the truck driver called the gardai shortly after JoJo was reported missing and the gardai told him she had been spotted in Castledermot.

So the spotting in Castledermot had to be shortly after her disappearance was news.

In 2020 he was going back to make the statement again.

Of course all of that is if you believe the truck driver and the randomer that went to the newspaper with the story.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884006#Comment_122884006

Probably because the naked woman was seen half an hour before JoJo was confirmed to be in Moone (and probably still in a car on the way to Moone based on other information they had) and they also had a sighting of her in Castledermot.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884006#Comment_122884006

Is there a statement from the driver of the truck and his boss, who was with him in the truck, corroborating this woman's story?

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884033#Comment_122884033

Timelines may not have been accurate. Given that Moone is tiny Id imagine the two things are related. The naked woman these lads saw has never come forward either.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884134#Comment_122884134

So who are you saying got the timeline wrong?

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122884114#Comment_122884114

The truck driver and boss saw a naked woman in Moone at 11pm.

They rang the gardai the gardai said they would send a car out.

When JoJo's disappearance was made public the drive went to the gardai and told them about the naked woman, and about the boss calling the gardai etc.

The gardai told him it was likely unrelated as JoJo was reported as being seen in Castledermot.

25 years later the driver made his statement again to the gardai.

The source for all the above is a woman who randomly meet the driver shortly before he went to the gardai 25 years after the event to make his statement again.

The writer of the article then says another source has confirmed that the gardai are looking at this statement (or words to that effect).

Which could mean they looked at it and dismissed it like they did originally because the timelines didn't add up and maybe they had solved the naked woman case anyway with the car they sent out that night.

Deregos.

I dunno, it sounds like to much of a coincidence that in a small town like Moone, on the same night a woman who was last seen right there is abducted, that another, 'different' woman happens to be seen running and screaming naked through the town. Really . . what are the chances?

It reads to me that yet again, the Gardai lost a massive opportunity to solve Jo Jo's disappearance that night, and were trying to literally cover-up the naked woman report.

blackvalley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122885131#Comment_122885131

I find it hard to believe that two men spotting a naked distressed woman running through a small rural village would not immediately go to her aid. Or at least try to help in some way before calling the police . Whatever about one person seeing such an incident and being afraid to intervene in case of getting assaulted etc

It just seems strange to me.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122885835#Comment_122885835

According to the Sunday World/Irish Independent story the drivers boss ran after the naked woman but she ran away, he then phoned the gardai.

Again that is the driver telling this to a random woman on the street who then told the reporter.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122885835#Comment_122885835

They did try. She ran away. Obviously having experienced a traumatic incident. I'll do some digging but I'm nearly sure that the truck driver gave some direct quotes at some stage so it's not second hand info. Gardai now also believe that the sighting and account he gave is credible. Whereas the plods at the time didn't give it a second though.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122886153#Comment_122886153

Gardai now also believe that the sighting and account he gave is credible. Whereas the plods at the time didn't give it a second though.

That's not what the article says.

It just says that they are looking at the statement again.

There is no indication that they are considering the statement more credible or otherwise than they did in 1995.

From the article

A source this week confirmed that the Serious Crime Review Team had taken a statement from the man at Naas garda station.

"In June of last year, Garda announced the probe into Jo Jo Dullard's disappearance had been upgraded to murder," the source said.

"As part of that investigation, gardaí have been going back over previous statements and going out to talk to people who had made statements at the time.

"It would appear that was what was happening last November. And this statement that a woman had been seen running naked through the village of Moone is now something that is being looked at again."

blackvalley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122886118#Comment_122886118

In a way that information makes it even more baffling. If the drivers boss ran after this person in an attempt to help her she somehow managed to avoid him all the while the perpetrator was lurking somewhere and returned to “ disappear “ Jojo later.
Thats assuming of course that it was her.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122886153#Comment_122886153

“I'll do some digging but I'm nearly sure that the truck driver gave some direct quotes at some stage so it's not second hand info”

That would be good, otherwise it a case of

“Dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi".

A woman told a reporter that a man told her 25 years after the fact.

Where was Marie Farrell around that time I wonder!

julyjane

Ran where though? There was a phone box in the village they could have called 999 there and then

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122886310#Comment_122886310

"Sources have confirmed the driver made a statement to the Garda Serious Crime Review Team (SCRT) at Naas garda station in November last year and the sighting was accepted as credible by investigators."

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/truck-driver-tells-gardai-he-saw-woman-running-naked-and-screaming-through-village-on-the-night-of-jo-jo-dullards-disappearance/40957273.html

New Home

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122886929#Comment_122886929

Assuming the phone was in working order.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122886954#Comment_122886954

They may have deemed the sighting of the naked woman as being credible 25 years after the fact because they deemed it to be credible when it was phoned in at 11pm on 9th Nov 1995.

But they also may deem it unrelated to the investigation into JoJo's disappearance because the times don't correspond (the call was at 11, JoJo was on the phone at 11:30), there was an alleged sighting of JoJo in Castledermot, and finally they many have sent a car and investigated the naked woman story on the night as they told the drivers boss they would when he rang.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122867930#Comment_122867930

I wouldn't normally believe this stuff, but the one peadophile that I know of first hand, now deceased, worked in a certain factory in Wicklow where there was apparently a ring of others with the same interests.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122887223#Comment_122887223

It was in working order, it's where JoJo called her fried from at 11:30pm

New Home

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122887465#Comment_122887465

Sorry, of course you're right. I'm an idiot.

reclose

If people believe the naked woman was Jojo then that means she got free from her attacker and was captured again.

I’m just not buying it.

Baasterd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122887400#Comment_122887400

I think the issue is that it all seems so alien to us now, peado rings are something that are run by drug gangs or celebs not normal people.

But back in the day (60-80s) it was legal to have 16 year olds in porno's, the lines were blurred, you had people openly advocating it as a lifestyle choice, not to mention the god botherers.

Against that backdrop it's much more believable that people of a similar persuasion might cross paths and decide to compare notes at the very least.

Bass Reeves

There is serious credibility with the barefoot young women in Moone. First off it was 30 minutes before the last call by JoJo to her friend. Even if the timeline was not correct how much later could it be, by an hour. That would be 12 pm. It still within 30 minutes of JoJo hopping in to the car at the phone box. That timeline looks strange. Surely if a predator had picked her up he would have drove to a more isolated spot before attacking

While the older man tried to help her she ran away. I find it hard to believe a person without shoes can get away from a person there own age. I find it hard to understand why the driver of the truck did not get and try to help. I also wonder why they did not knock at any door with a light on to bring the incident to the attention to a local person. I also think it strange a distressed person would not chance accepting the first help that she comes accross.

And we arrive back at that it was 30 minutes before Jojo disappeared according to the person making the statement.