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RFU bans transgender players from competing in women's game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 762 ✭✭✭ ersatz

    Yeah, this is a ludicrous moral panic based on superstition, prejudice and fragility. It will look positively medieval when reflected on in the future. It also has zero self awareness about the game of rugby where people love to see a Lomu/Skelton sized elephant run through a tiny scrum half and send them tumbling. There will be an embarrassing climb down eventually.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭ Fann Linn


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 Yoshimi79

    Makes sense with physicality advantage

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭ Augme

    Trangender players whose sex recorded at birth is female may still play in the male category if they provide written consent and a risk assessment is carried

    This seems like a very strange position to take given their stance on the issue. I'd love to know their rational for needs to carry out a risk assessment given they have already clearly stated their position.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,065 ✭✭✭ touts

    Grabs the popcorn.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭ RichieRich_89

    Does it? Their thinking surely is that it's dangerous or at least unfair for women to play against people who were male for a good part of their lives.

    Female to male transsexuals would surely be up against it competing with men, but they can't be allowed to stay competing with women if they're taking hormones that would normally be on the banned list.

    For better or worse, having separate male and female categories for sports where strength comes into it is the best and fairest thing you can have.

  • Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭ mondeoman72

    You cannot be putting a big lump of a fella who now claims to be female, in a scrum with women. It is unfair, and downright dangerous.

  • Registered Users Posts: 260 ✭✭ Itxa

    I think anyone who was thought to be a girl at birth and goes through girls schools from a young age due to that perception should be allowed to compete if found out to be subsequently mixed or slightly male.

    Men undergoing sex change and hormone replacement should not not be allowed due to reasons of testosterone being in their body for longer periods. Thinking you’re a woman or man with subsequent sex change does not make you one.

    I think the vilification and general lack of empathy to all concerned in these situations is a worry in modern society. There should be a set of rules and any genuine case of mis- assignment at birth should be looked at equitably.

  • Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭ Stewball

    Wasn't Semenya assigned female at birth, so if she was a rugby player there would be no issue with her playing women's rugby under these rules?

    I'm not fully up to speed on this debate, so I may be wrong.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CatFromHue

    Some light reading on this topic

    "the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women is only minimally reduced when testosterone is suppressed"

    Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage | SpringerLink

    Biological sex is the biggest defining feature when it comes to sporting performance. I think most other sports will go this way too.

    Also that's not a great headline by RTE. Trans people aren't banned from playing, it's just you have to be female at birth to compete in the women's category.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,126 ✭✭✭✭ Venjur

    I think a ban on entering anything close to the professional game makes sense as the emphasis on performance is far greater. I think banning more casual involvement in a blanket sense will result in unnecessary prejudice. As always - I'd much rather be hearing from women within the game rather than the utter melts who are going to insist on sh1tting themselves in public (yet again).

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭ Augme

    If someone is born a female and wants to play in the male sport what is the need for written consent? I mean, it's not like they have signed up to play by accident.

    Also, a risk assessment for who, and what does it involve? Seems unnecessary. As you said, they a trans male is physically at a disadvantage but that's their decision to make if they want to play in men's sport ans shouldn't require some risk assessment.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭ RichieRich_89

    It's to cover themselves legally, I'd imagine - to ensure liability falls on the player rather than the governing body if an injury happened. I can imagine a female to male transgender person suing the governing body for negligence if they suffered some sort of catastrophic injury after being allowed to play men's rugby.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭ yosser hughes

    Utter nonsense and bringing Caster Samenya is a diversion. Caster Samenya is NOT a trans anything.People who identify as another gender are NOT banned from participating in sport, they are free to play in the sex category that they are.

    Males playing rugby against women is dangerous

    Biological sex is fact, Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and an ideology and you are engaged in misinformation.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,126 ✭✭✭✭ Venjur

    The overwhelming majority of the psychology / psychiatric community disagree with you.

    Where did you get your medical degree?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭ yosser hughes

    You are so far behind the truth in this it's unreal. The courts will eventually have to sort this out in wider society in the face of spineless politicians and those who have nothing whatsoever to lose such as yourself.

    I really can't be arsed educating you on it. There's a long list of men on the internet like you who are there saying 'what's the problem?'

    Sex based rights and protections are real, necessary and protected and you won't be on the right side of history on this.

    Your comments on this are utter,utter nonsense

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭ CramCycle

    There are plenty of female rugby players (and I know quite a few) who would destroy me in Rugby, I like most wouldn't have a hope if we tried to play. The real world is so much more nuanced. The other posters making it sound like every trans woman is going to be Keith Woods or Jonah Lomu and squash everyone in their path is deluded. Thankfully at least your post gave me hope for some common sense.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,126 ✭✭✭✭ Venjur

    You clearly don't want a debate, certainly not an educated one - easier for you to reeeeee down the Internet and call people deluded because you've made no attempt to grasp a complex issue nor challenge your own prejudices.

    Either way - the reality of gender identity isn't going away even if you really really want it to. As time goes by more and more people educate themselves to the psychological realities of gender and those who refuse to do so will continue to find themselves in a shrinking and increasingly ignorant minority.

    In the meantime I can only hope that your misguided notions don't cause unnecessary harm to an extremely vulnerable group of people.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,927 ✭✭✭✭ Clegg

    Rather disappointed by the naked bigotry on display here.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,693 ✭✭✭✭ stephen_n

    That’s probably because you are completely uneducated on this I’d imagine.

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