Halloween Ends

CastorTroy

https://youtu.be/i_mAWKyfj6c

October 14th

gmisk

Ok Halloween kills wasn't great....but that music still sends chills down my spine...I will be there opening night!

Sugarlumps

Awesome. The previous film had the most brutal killings.

artvanderlay

Final trailer:

https://youtu.be/s0vtbxLa-N8

Less than 2 weeks until release. Thank God! It's the only film I'm looking forward to this year.

JKerova1

Why are they bastardising the original film with all these terrible sequels? Halloween 2018 was nothing poor than a piss poor remake. The only redeeming feature was the Carpenter score. Didn't even bother watching Halloween Kills and have no intention of seeing this.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119694400#Comment_119694400

Money.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119696640#Comment_119696640

Yep and seemingly this is the end for this story to speak....but the rights will be going back to Akkad (well the controller's of his estate)..there will be more.

Homelander

The 2018 movie was sort of OK but I thought Halloween Kills was absolutely awful, completely brain-dead plot and script - the whole movie is little more than violence for the sake of violence.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699792#Comment_119699792

I feel like the second one could have been good when the characters start organising themselves but then split off into tiny groups. There's some unforgiveable choreography at the end where they're all beating Michael and he just gets up and they all die.

johnny_ultimate

Kills is awful, but shite Halloween sequels are nothing new. They've been churning them out every few years since the 80s. The number of 'bad' Halloween films outnumbers the number of 'good' ones by somewhere in the region of 5-10:1 (allowing for some subjectivity there).

ancapailldorcha

The original aside, are any of them any good? I see that H20 is on Netflix now.

johnny_ultimate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699893#Comment_119699893

Depends on your parameters of 'good' :P Most of them are completely ignorable to terrible.

As discussed in the 'what have you watched...' thread yesterday, I do think Halloween III is worth watching. It barely has anything to do with the original outside of some in-jokes and nods, as it tried to do a 'creepy stories set around Halloween' anthology series thing rather than another Michael Myers misadventure. It's not Carpenter level or anything, but it is strange and compelling in its own distinctive way. It was a more interesting direction to take the series that unfortunately was reviled at the time, but its reputation has grown in recent times.

Halloween 2 (1981) is fine but you're already very much into vastly diminishing returns. Halloween 2 (2009) has a growing cult following in recent years, but I need to rewatch it.

I only watched H20 the other night. It's not good - just (re)watch Scream instead.

bad2thebone

What's needed is an out and out Samhain movie. Bringing in Irish folklore and shape shifters, banshee, an ancient nefarious realm or dimension opening up in some rural location in the west of Ireland, a fantasy/horror movie.

Something that blow's your usual satanic stuff out of the depths of hell.

Fallen angels reaking havoc somewhere and some pagan warlock and Catholic priest have to work together to close the entrance to the gateway , and have a sequel....a story line.

Our folklore and superstition hasn't been brought to the forefront in a big way yet.

The world needs to see what our superstitious past is capable of doing in the present.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699958#Comment_119699958

I watched Halloween 2 recently. It wasn't as good as I remember. Donald Pleasance mangling the pronounciation of "Samhain" didn't help. Decent but I think "diminishing returns" is apt. Never seen III. Might give it a go.

artvanderlay

I really enjoyed the 2018 remake and while Kills was flawed (especially the hospital scenes and "Evil Dies Tonight!"), it had some very memorable bits in it. It was also hamstrung by being the middle part of a trilogy, but it did give us the most brutal Michael Myers yet (in this timeline: I don't count that Rob Zombie garbage). I'm looking forward to Ends because they have taken a few chances with it, jumping ahead four years after Kills, and introducing a copycat killer. Hopefully it'll be more like the 2018 movie than Kills. Again it's directed by David Gordon Green and written by him and Danny McBride; they were responsible for one of my favourite tv shows, Eastbound and Down, so I'm hopeful they can pull it out of the bag with this (although they both have made their share of clunkers). DGG is also doing a new Exorcist trilogy and Hellraiser TV show. He seems to he the new king of horror, at Blumhouse anyways.

Tony EH

'Halloween II' is a relatively decent sequel and, frankly, that's where I leave the series these days. But, honestly, I probably have a soft spot for it because I remember seeing it on TV when I was small. 'Halloween III' can be enjoyed for what it is, as it has nothing to do with the Mickey Myers show. But in its own right is quite entertaining.

As for 'Halloween Ends', I cannot imagine that it will be much cop TBH. 'Halloween Kills' was dreadful and I don't imagine that the next one can up the game.

I went through every film last October in the run up to seeing 'Halloween Kills' and my god was that a bit of a slog, because most of the entries run the gamut of poor to outright awful. There's certainly a few bad sequels in the Friday series and the Nightmare series too, but Halloween suffers particularly from poor efforts overshadowing the good ones. Plus it has that awful "pick a timeline" going on as well, which only serves to confuse matters.

Kingp35

I enjoyed Halloween (2018) quite a lot, it was an enjoyable reboot of the series that got a lot of things right. Halloween Kills was fairly awful though, a huge step down in quality so I honestly have no idea how Kills will turn out. Hopefully they can pull it out of the bag.

silliussoddius

Just saw a review on youtube

Spoiler Warning

He reckoned it was horrible, and he liked the first two

Fred Astaire

Halloween 2018, Halloween 4 and Halloween 2 are the best of the sequels, probably in that order. H20 is alright too when it isn't weighted down by it's late 90's horror vibe, at least the 2nd half which delivers a reasonably solid Michael/Laurie showdown.

Kills was an absolute abomination. And so bad that it completely destroyed my hope for the series after H2018, and I went ahead and read the full plot for Ends a few weeks ago. Awful in a different way. Very clear that there was absolutely no plan set out for these because Ends tries to walk back the supernatural, unkillable, undefeatable element quite hard. They walked themselves into a complete narrative dead end with the end of Kills. Ends is clearly poised to have Laurie and Michael having their 'final' 1v1 showdown - but in the previous movie have him take on 40 people with literal ease, it kind of destroys the immersion in the 1v1.

Am I the only person who enjoyed kills? Thought it was grand.

Looking forward to"Ends"

artvanderlay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735986#Comment_119735986

I liked Kills. Sure, it had ridiculous and annoying moments (as one would expect from a slasher sequel), but I think they at least tried a few new things, plus it gave us a great Michael and lots of memorable scenes/kills (the '78 flashback being a highlight). Scariest moments for me were when Michael pursued Lindsay - a well-executed, stalking scene - plus when a maskless, but out of focus, Michael walked after Karen. Chilling :)

Can't wait for Ends but I won't get to see it until next week, so have to avoid reviews/spoilers until then. I'm glad they are doing something new with this sequel - jumping forward 4 years, introducing a copycat kill -so I don't really know what to expect, which is pretty good going for a slasher sequel.

gmisk

I am heading to this today ...low expectations after Kills which I thought had potential but was fairly poor...plus the early reviews don't look great (managed to avoid any spoilers so far)

gmisk

...f#ck me....that is awful...genuinely...terrible I am struggling to find any positives...the intro is quite good...bar that...

gmisk

What a disappointment. Spoilers ahoy.

Halloween 2018 was good imo, Halloween kills was poor...but this makes that seem like a masterpiece.

Spoiler Warning

The opening was solid. The grain of a decent idea, how does society/a small town treat people, an accidental killing of a (d1ckhead) child, how would that destroy someone's life and possibly his parents lives their trauma etc. But boy does it go downhill.

Michael Myers has been living in a sewer for 4 years and waiting for the right person to come along to drag to his lair...he connects with the Corey character through eye contact when he is going to kill him...so he becomes like Michael Myers junior...ok.

Michael Myers in it very little bar last section. Which had some decent bits and a hell of a lot of knives and gore.

The metal grinder thing was signposted very very early. Carting him through town to grind him up...perfectly normal....

Some of the acting was genuinely abysmal...the tarty nurse, the lecherous doc, Corey's mother...Jamie Lee Curtis and the Allyson character were pretty poor, the punk kids...useless. The guy playing Corey was ok and gave it a go.

I didn't care about a single character everyone was hateful.

I would give it 2/10 and that is generous.

Glad it is over (at least for now).

silliussoddius

Somehow I doubt it's over.

artvanderlay

What a load of shite! Oh my god, that is the worst movie I think I've ever seen. What a disappoinment. I'm speechless. Will have to take a couple of days to process it's awfulness. I'd have given the 2018 movie 8/10, Kill 6/10 but this geta a big fat zero. What on earth were they thinking???

Gonzovision

Pure rancid. I didn’t have high hopes, but bloody hell.

ancapailldorcha

I liked it.

It tries something new and I didn't mind. It was a heck of an improvement over the load of shite we had a few years ago. That said, I think you either like the idea here or you don't and that's going to determine whether or not you'll enjoy the film. It's a different film than what the trailer would lead you to expect.

Fred Astaire

An absolutely horrific joke of a movie. Falls apart on even the most basic aspects of filmmaking - retroactively makes Kills better because at that point you didn't think it could possibly get any worse. Literally none of this movie makes any sense. The lore makes no sense, the characters make no sense, the plot makes no sense.

Gone is the stalking, the suspense, the tension, the atmosphere, the orange hues, the autumnal tone. The score is the worst of the three by an absolute country mile. Absolute stink.

Wrongway1985

Total nonsensical story the mind boggles as to how it led to this (besides $'s!).

I didn't think Kills was particularly bad well as people were making out anyway and it was the bridge in the middle of the trilogy. This is actually utter scutter.

StevenToast

I feel sorry for people that waste money going to see this....i havent been to cinema in years....muck churned out constantly

Ninthlife

I was looking forward to this as I thought maybe just maybe they'll try improve on the last effort..

It cant be worse than Halloween Kills

Halloween Ends: Hold my beer!

As someone else said the suspense and air of dread are gone. Myers is a cameo

Awful on every level

Vudgie

I see this was released on Peacock and in theatres, is this only in the States?

Homelander

The reviews are so bad in a roundabout way I almost want to go see it - I thought it couldn't possibly get any worse than Halloween Kills.

Man Vs ManUre

I tried watching Kills on sky movies recently and I couldn’t sit through it, it was just awful. But I liked the 2 Rob Zombie films from 10 or more years ago, they were very vicious and disturbing.

Dodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119747956#Comment_119747956

This is me too. Had no intention of seeing this but now I really want to

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119747956#Comment_119747956

Aye, I'm in this camp too. I know I shouldn't, I really know I shouldn't, but the Mrs. Doyle part of my brain is going "go wan..."

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748296#Comment_119748296

Its not nearly as bad as they are saying. I didn’t see the last few but i had to kill a few hours today and saw it, and it entertained me through a large popcorn

BorneTobyWilde

Who's the twat that plays the moron, is it the same guy all along in that plays him?

Wrongway1985

The guy who is the victim of very exceptional circumstances throughout? Nah he's only in this one as a plot device for the whole foolish foray.

Rohan Campbell is his name anyway don't know him myself.

artvanderlay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748296#Comment_119748296

Dont do it. Read the plot on Wikipedia and save yourself the time and money. It's insane that this is the story they chose to tell to end the trilogy. Michael Myers barely had a cameo in this. It would have been better if Michael had actually died in the sewers and this new guy finds his mask and assumes his identity. That would have been truly brave and would have made sense but having Michael working with a copycat when he has always killed anybody standing in front of him cheats the character and the audience.

cena

Just watched this at home. Boy, I am glad I didn't waste my money on this. I say mike is in for about 5 mins

BaywatchHQ

I'm going to pirate stream it now. It is funny how the general population hate on sequels like Home Alone 2 and 3 calling them "unoriginal" yet the same people would be getting excited about the 11th Halloween movie. All the movies had more or less the same plot. Another example is people complaining about Disney live action reboots. You complain about that yet you enjoy the countless Halloween movies?

jos22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748562#Comment_119748562

he was in the tv series the Hardy Boys

knew he looked familiar from somewhere

Terrible movie, yet still millions time better than Jeepers creepers reborn

.300 WinMag

🚨Spoilers ahead🚨if you haven't seen it, skip my comment!

That just left me...I don't know how to describe it. empty, I guess. I've seen them all, original H obviously was the bomb, suspense and that feeling of dread, That scene in H4 with the ambulance lights flashing in the rain, was etched in my psyche for years, H2018 was fresh and in my opinion one of the better ones of recent times, point is each one over the years had a little something different, like unique kill methods, that the others didn't, and if this was a stand alone and not a finale, then it would've been ok, but this was the FINAL outing for Laurie, it needed to be nail squeezing grand fear, a sheer terrifying, epic, that would make people re-fear michael, he needed one last plod around Haddonfield, peeking in windows, hiding in shadows, general mikey stuff from H1, not hiding like a common rat in the sewers, and, finally, and perhaps not to everyone's liking, it needed michael to speak, in his final moments, to address Laurie before he died. Sorry, rant over

santana75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119750370#Comment_119750370

Yeah I think they should've had Michael remove the mask and then say something. That would've been something interesting at the very least

.300 WinMag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119751349#Comment_119751349

Yeah something to really define the legacy of Michael, it really was a missed opportunity in my opinion, it also really left the whole 4 years aspect very much up to the viewers interpretation, it received no explanation at all, was he playing solitare the whole time?🤣

Fred Astaire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755231#Comment_119755231

He was in the sewers just chilling. The homeless guy said something was in there and people often went in and didn't come out.

I'd really like to know how he was so weak because both possible reasons don't work at all.

Reason 1 - He was injured. He took on a whole team of armed firefighters after being burned, knocked down by a car (and all the other injuries Laurie inflicted on him). He dealt with 30+ people with absolute ease after being beaten beyond any humane level, stabbed and shot, and then teleported over to another house, successfully snuck up the stairs and killed again. There's absolutely no reason for him all of a sudden to just be now injured and nursing his wounds and weakening.

Reason 2 - He needs to kill to be strong. Wasn't a problem for him in Halloween 2018 when he hadn't killed in 40 years and was absolutely manhandling people straight out of the gate. And the homeless guy specifically mentions that Michael has been killing people in the sewer over the 4 year period.

Just shocking, awful writing.

I'd also like to know why in Halloween 2018, Laurie has been training like Sarah Connor in T2 and has made her house into a death trap for Michael - a guy who has been in captivity for 40 years. In Ends, Laurie doesn't give a **** anymore despite the fact Michael killed her daughter and at least 50 people in Haddonfield, and is still missing? Those two characters are not remotely consistent with each other.

Tony EH

So, sat through this last night and it's very poor indeed. Some terrible, terrible, writing going on, but the series has suffered from that for nearly 40 years so we shouldn't be at all surprised really. I appreciate that they tried something different with the basic set up, but the character of Corey doesn't work. He's such an unlikeable person that it's impossible to see Laurie Strode's granddaughter going for him, as if he's some sort of misunderstood nice guy. Which is, I suppose, sort of the point. But it just isn't ever convincing and the film feels like it's been mashed together from two separate and distinct stories.

Michael Myers is almost the side character too, which comes off as a bizarre choice even if, again, I can sort of see what the film makers were trying to do. But the basic set up here is very weak. Mickey has been dossing around in a sewer for 4 years doing what exactly? I know that 'Halloween IV' (or one of the movies anyway) had Michael re-appear after an extended period away and that didn't work either. But it just doesn't make any sense here at all.

Laurie Strode is confusing too, and I'll echo the point above about her nonchalant attitude to Myers in 'Halloween Ends', whereas in the 2018 reboot, she's all hung ho and has been prepping for Mike's return for decades. That simply doesn't add up.

'Halloween Ends' comes off as yet another movie that is only meant to be enjoyed in the moment. Like the vast, vast, majority of so called "content" these days, it isn't meant to be loved forever or even remembered beyond walking out of the cinema or changing the channel. It's just another bit of "stuff" that's instantly forgettable. But after the merely ok 'Halloween (2018)' and the atrocious 'Evil Dies Tonight' 'Halloween Kills', I can't say that I am that shocked.

weadick

The original Halloween is one of my favourite film of all time. I even like Halloween II and III a bit.

I hate seeing Jamie Lee and Carpenter lending their talents to these god-awful sequels and talking about them in interviews as if they are actually proud of them and think they do justice to the original. They are just awful bastardisations of the genius original. I wish they would just stop.

.300 WinMag

OK, let's discuss, how should this movie have gone? I believe a back to basics approach like the original Halloween, more skulking and stalking, as he makes his way through Haddonfield, (sorry Corey but I'd delete your story)

I woulve seen him escaping after killing Karen, away from the place, taking a Doctor/nurse hiostage in he opening credits and forcing his healing through pure fear and intimidation, before killing them when ready, (no 4 years and Laurie all relaxed bullcrap)

I would have continued with the flashback scenes (I thought they were the best bits of H-kills), and in these I would have established how an unknown man had raped Michael's mother in her home in a drunken rage at knifepoint, how the town covered it up, we see the woman visiting a gypsy woman type setting where she'd have a curse put on the town for their complicitness and asking the gypsy to curse her son to enact his revenge, using THE knife used in her rape as a sort of conduit. (this would give us the Michael being somewhat supernatural aspect, horror movie aftetall) then seeing how the child was bullied and beaten relentlessly all this leading up to his initial murders. (Hence his absolute rage)

My final scene would've had Laurie and Michael fighting in a graveyard, unmaksed and defeated, he would simply utter the word 'sister" before being finished off, THE knife straight through his forehead, his final resting place being in a grave with the Judith myers headstone above him. Cut to credits which would be every victim picture and name with carpenters original theme playing

I'd need more time to iron out the details but I'm at work 🤣 what y'all think?

I'd keep a similar scene that scene where Laurie has Michael's mask in her house at the end, I liked that.