Is it too late for Europe and the World. There is fires everywhere.

AMKC

Does what we do even matter anymore? There are fires all over Europe a big one in Wellington London in the UK and even one here in Wicklow.

So can the World be healed or is it all just too little to late now?

What kind of World are we leaving for future generations?

I for one am glad I lived my formative years in the 90s and 00s as it has all gone downhill since then.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058255261/is-it-late-for-europe-and-the-world-there-is-fires-everywhere

China and India and other major powers are not opting to change course.

So perhaps it's damage limitation mode rather than prevention.

The good news is that humans always find a way to adapt, and always have.

Jim_Hodge

..,,,,

mickdw

I sick of the bullshit we have to listen to now.

You cannot even have a sunny day now without someone trying to make you feel guilty.

What is ignored in all this climate change is that man will adapt to any creeping change.

I remember seeing a while back an rte program showing that half of Dublin will be under water in 50 years if we don't all dump our cars and stop burning turf. This completely ignored man's ability to Engineer our way out of things. This bullshit is being pushed at every opportunity.

Sure we might see some changes but in the grand scale of the life of the planet, is it anything more than a natural cycle of the planet. We have had different climate before with major shifts and clearly these shifts were not caused by human emissions.

Also, I believe we are entering a period where a sun spot is going to reduce temps over the next number of years but I've not seen this mentioned in the media.

I am pretty confident that environmental policy is largely responsible for alot of the out of control fires we now get across the world.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361624#Comment_119361624

I really don't like the whataboutery of blaming China, India or the US.

Everyone is pussyfooting around waiting for someone else to make the first move. Maybe Ireland should set an example.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361680#Comment_119361680

It's more than a "natural cycle of the planet". Do you think the majority of scientists in the world aren't smarter than you?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361680#Comment_119361680

They now want people to fear the weather rather than to enjoy the weather; to mother the population as if they cannot take responsibility for themselves.

A COVID-19 hangover, perhaps.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361683#Comment_119361683

Maybe Ireland should set an example.

China and India's populations total 2.8 billion; over one-third of the planet's population.

The idea they will be "educated" from Ireland, or even the UK, is for the birds.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361696#Comment_119361696

Some are. Some are not.

Some are pushing an agenda and others are genuine.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361683#Comment_119361683

It's in reference to Europe and America etc reducing every year their carbon footprint while the rest of the world, especially the above mentioned are surging ahead.

Even when Europe get to her zero it will not compensate for the runaway carbon creation of the developing world.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361683#Comment_119361683

Tell me you are not serious

Ireland set an example......

To China, To India, To the US, To any number of South American countries etc etc

Just stop and think about that for a moment..........

Pythagorean

Yes, the world as we know it is doomed. The population of this planet has trebled in my lifetime, all these developing countries are going all out to achieve first world lifestyles. Degradation of the natural environment, increased emissions, war and famine are the inevitable results. Then you have nuclear armed psychopaths such as Putin, Kim Jong Un. WW3 could happen just like that. All efforts to reduce greenhouse gases, etc are doomed to fail, due to the simple fact of a massive population growth. The problems facing the world are simply insurmountable Humans have no natural predators, we are the dominant species, and we are the agents of our own downfall. I probably won't be around in 20 years time, and I shudder to think what things will be like then.

UsBus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361683#Comment_119361683

It's not whataboutery. It's blatantly clear that the actions of these 3 countries have a monumental impact. Nothing Ireland ever does will have any effect on climate if these countries do not drastically change direction. We are crucifying ourselves in regulation here in an attempt to prove we are top of the class and gain pointless moral victories.

We are an inconsequential island on the edge of Europe. The 3 countries mentioned don't even think about us in the greater scheme.

SuperBowserWorld

It's going to be a very interesting 30 years ahead. People say they don't care, but they are dumb or don't have kids or think humans have some god given right to destroy the future for other life on this planet. I think anyone who thinks it doesn't matter or don't care should have to swap their lives with those who live off a rubbish heap or without fresh water or sufficient food in the 3rd world.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361890#Comment_119361890

But that's because of India and China, mostly.

This idea that irrelevant countries like Ireland or Switzerland or Norway or the UK adopting certain policies will help prevent the inevitable is absurd.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361680#Comment_119361680

Can you explain about this sun spot thats going to reduce temperatures?

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361904#Comment_119361904

But India and China is not an answer.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361931#Comment_119361931

But the answer must involve India and China.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361683#Comment_119361683

Bhutan has zero carbon emissions, do you think the BRIC countries gave a damm?

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361904#Comment_119361904

Ireland copied UK, USA consumption levels. We use way more resources per capita than people in India, China, Africa, ... And others want to copy this kind of lifestyle that we perpetuate.

We just consume, spend, build debt here like there is no tomorrow.

Only now insulating houses because we have to, not because it made sense and would have saved money and resources. Why didn't the government impose insulation standards in 1999 for example ? Why can't we trust the government to do this right ? Oh, the government is composed of us, that's why.

So yeah, we are guilty for perpetrating this. You can explain it to your kids how we had a big party taking the odd break to stick our heads in the sand.

Mech1

I wonder about this long held Ireland high temp record, how could it be true without our global warming to blame?

purplefields

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361960#Comment_119361960

Exactly. I was going to post pretty much this.

Check out the Per Capita CO2 levels per country:

CO2 Emissions per Capita - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Carbon Footprint by Country 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)

Ireland is worse than China, and much much worse than India.

I can't believe that there appears to be people still denying human caused climate change is a problem. That's really depressing. There is overwhelming evidence now to support this. Consider that just about every government in the world is in agreement with this. No. It's not sun spot cycles - I'm sure they've considered that.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361924#Comment_119361924

I believe we have passed through a solar maximum ending circa 2008. We are supposedly now starting a period of reduced sun activity. I'm not taking about the 10 or 11 year cycles, more an overall reduction across those cycles that should have some effect on overall temps into the next few decades.

Of course anything that can have a minor effect in terms of reducing temps is discounted yet anything that has a minor effect in pushing temps upwards is instantly regarded as an emergency.

lintdrummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361683#Comment_119361683

What kind of example can we set? We're a miniscule part of the problem when it comes to climate change. The countries you mention are responsible for a huge amount of pollution. Their populations are massive for a start. They also burn enormous amounts of fossil fuels to generate power for this growing population. They have unfathomably huge levels of industrial output that are pumping Co2 into the atmosphere. China alone in 2019 was estimated to have contributed 27% of global greenhouse gas emissions.

The hard truth is that the only way that we in the west can make a difference is to reduce our demand for goods produced for dirt cheap in China and the rest of Asia. I can't see that happening. To produce goods in the West more sustainably would hit everyone where it hurts most, in their pockets.

People harp on about aviation and it's effect on the climate. That entire industry contributes just 2% of global GHG emissions. So really, what difference do you expect the tiny population of Ireland to make?

I'm tired of the do gooders who think they are holier than thou telling everyone else that the solution is for us all to use public transport and cycle. Yes that would reduce emissions but it's a drop in the ocean. The real culprits here are the major population centres and their industry.

purplefields

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361992#Comment_119361992

...and this is why we are screwed as a species.

We all think it's someone else's problem.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361982#Comment_119361982

Temp records became kinda accurate in 1880 mostly from the UK.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361996#Comment_119361996

Why the fook should I sacrifice many things my family could benefit from and put them through hardship when most other huge countries people couldn’t care?

What we do here is going to make absolutely feck all difference when countries like china and India with populations of 1 billion are opening new coal burning plants.

No thanks. I’m going to enjoy the limited time I have here with my family and not listen to people like Eamon Ryan making me feel guilt for driving my car ffs.

Whats his salary again?

How much carbon footprint does he and his 18 advisors use???

Sick of this bullshit.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362006#Comment_119362006

Those in other countries have exactly the same mentality you do.

Why do you expect them to change their way of thinking when you won't?

All I know is that it is too late for common sense to make a comeback.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361986#Comment_119361986

we have only been accurately monitoring the sun for what 30 years. I mean they only accurately mapped El Niño in what 1997 ish.

Housefree

It's a hopeless situation, the corporate media has been very effective at sowing discord, as the comments will attest to.

We have no future, be merciful and don't have children, I shudder to think of the future mine will have

archer22

It's inevitable now, the vast majority of people will remain in denial up to the very end.

They are not going to change their greedy lifestyles and over breeding habits, but will carry on as is until the world becomes an oven...I feel no pity for them but I do feel pity for all the other species who done nothing to deserve this.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362008#Comment_119362008

I suggest you head off to India, China or Africa. Talk to the General population They only stuff they will know about climate change is looking for money for them. China not so much prob never heard of it.

purplefields

I believe that this is happening far more quickly than the boffins thought it was going to.

It was always 50-100 years that we had to worry about. Now it all seems to be accelerating, with various positive feedback loops.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362008#Comment_119362008

I have paid my carbon taxes and done all the green stuff we are being lectured with everyday and yet what do I get in return?

Other countries laughing at us while they open new power plants all the while our gas and electricity bills go through the roof because we shut down turf plants while banning turf and then allowing importation of turf from other countries.

The stupidity is mind boggling.

You lads need to come back down from whatever planet you are on.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362047#Comment_119362047

Not had a holiday in 25 years But apparently Mr Ryan can fly Business class. Barely use public transport everything is in walking distance. Try to be as green As I can. yet lectured too.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361990#Comment_119361990

We have been entering a solar maximum now for about two years and there is some of the highest emissions from the sun ever right now, not a lot we can do about it so you don’t hear anything about it. Well there is something you could do, increase your air miles, seems that the temperature increased by approx 2°C in US after all planes were grounded after 911, and this happened again for a longer period during Covid.

This is yet another unspoken fact about emissions but they have considered spraying chemicals into the upper air to block the suns rays. You can google Global dimming if you are interested. I think if they try to engineer the weather it will be a disaster experimenting on that scale, one of my biggest fears tbh.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362012#Comment_119362012

They are not even that sure they are monitoring it correctly it’s a very new science although observations go back centuries…exactly the same can be said about climate change.

link if you wish to know more:

https://www.sciencealert.com/something-is-up-with-the-sun-and-it-could-mean-our-models-are-wrong

joseywhales

Does adaptation include, licking wet moss off a stone and harvesting mushrooms underground for sustenance with a barely genetically viable group of people having survived all of the intense resources wars and mass migration?

Like yeah maybe we can survive but why would we not try to limit the suffering.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362066#Comment_119362066

I give them the benefit of the doubt on the say 30 -50 years but saying since records began not so much. My issue is we cant use data from 1880 and say they are as accurate as today.

bb12

biggest psy-op ever with the coverage of temps and fires at the moment...how convenient that they are able to sow the seeds of panic right now, just as they are about to implement their ultra climate change policies which will hurt and bring hardship to normal hard working people....scare the people enough and they'll bay for you to punish them. listen to all the celebs lecturing you about how bad you are for the planet and ignore them while they all buy beach front properties, fly around in their private jets and diesel guzzling yachts.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362070#Comment_119362070

Yeah cause mercury changed it’s chemical composition magically over 100 years.

You should announce this to the scientific community.

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361986#Comment_119361986

We are but the sheer scale of what comes out of industry from both countries mean if Ireland stopped all production tomorrow it would really only affect Ireland, stop all driving, travel, business, now compare that to China or India doing that, what sort of changes do you think you would see within a month, a third of all the world's population is centred in 1 small area on Asia. It's like a bantam weight going into a ring with Tyson, we're so small as to be insignificant, the world is overpopulated and when you stand back and look at the population of Asia and North America what exactly does anyone think a tiny dot on the edge of western Europe can do, its like trying yo stop the tide with a spoon

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362070#Comment_119362070

I guess it varies depending on the data, thermometers by 1880 we’re very accurate so were other weather instruments, rainfall, humidity, air pressure. Climate change is new and is based on a hypothesis, I do believe we have an effect on the climate, Global Dimming is a good example of that whereby we are cooling the earth by using air travel, how much effect CO2 has…well I’m not convinced that alone is doing it, we are coming out of a cold age and have been for some time but I don’t think there is any need for all this hysteria at all.

If the powers that be believed what they are saying we would be building on Mountains not on the beach like Al Gore 😂 If we get several summers where we experience several days of 30°+ but we don’t buy snow ploughs to use every 20 years.

purplefields

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362090#Comment_119362090

I understand that Ireland is a small country.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362086#Comment_119362086

Urban Areas have way more concrete heating all the good stuff. Large heat sinks created vs what was in the past. Not all weather station are in the wilderness. If your in Dublin it's prob from the airport. well if you use google. scientific method is a lot better now not just relying on 1 person who's the so called expert in the field saying if something is correct. Again were only monitoring the sun for the last 30 odd years. The most important input to our climate.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361992#Comment_119361992

And it seems to me instead of reducing demand for stuff produced in more polluting countries it seems as if green policies would increase the demand.....at least in terms of agriculture ....

lintdrummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119361996#Comment_119361996

From an Irish person's perspective it is someone else's problem. Almost one third of global greenhouse gas emissions are from one country, China.

Take a look at the graph on this page. Ireland doesn't even feature.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-country

If you scroll down there is a list of all countries and we are pretty low on it.

Does that mean we can't contribute and make a difference? Of course not, but we are not the major problem. We all need to do what we can but coming on here and pretending that the reason "we are screwed as a species" is that we all think it's someone else's problem is nonsense. We know what the problem is. We have the data. It can be narrowed down to five countries who need to change their emissions output radically. China, the USA, India, Russia and Japan. If they don't do that, everything everyone else does is as good as meaningless.

Like I said before we can make an effort to not buy goods produced in China, but in todays world that is almost impossible. It would take a global effort involving all major manufacturers and would lead to increased cost of production and cost of goods. It would likely also lead to world war as I'm sure China would not be pleased about it's economy going to ruins due to the green efforts of the rest of the globe.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362112#Comment_119362112

I asked in another thread got no answer. If Ireland stop producing carbon. What amount of temp in Deg would it remove. I know why. If you magically returned Ireland to without people. China would still produce and someone else will by their crap. And 5M people gone will have 0 impact.

AllForIt

In the late 90's I think it was, I lived in London when it reached 100 Fahrenheit, on one day only. For weeks we had wall to wall sunshine. It was very hot and especially humid as you usually get in cities. One night I had to chill out in the bathtub for a wile to cool off. It was an old shop building with an apartment above I was living in so not constructed for ventilation.

I recall vividly the grass in the parks were yellow for a couple of weeks as if it were burnt. So we're talking temps of 36 to 38 Celsius for a good two weeks.

What I don't understand is how is it that temps just a couple of degrees higher than that recorded in London today have sparked a number of fires when there was no fires when temps reached 100f in my past experience as I've recounted.

Also, the max temp in the UK was recorded in Heathrow London today at 40.3c. Where did they put the thermometer? On the tarmacadamed airport runway? Heathrow is on the outskirks of London city, you'd expect temps to be higher in the city than in the borough of Heathrow.

My point is, I'm deeply suspicious of the reported recorded record high temps. And as for the fires, and because this is a city where climate activists glue themselves to roads, I'm even more suspicious of what caused them, when they never occurred in similarly hot London weather in the past. It's hardly because 40 degrees is a round figure that sparked the fires.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362008#Comment_119362008

So if we change they will change......that's your argument?

If it is....then in all honesty you have to admit its unlikely to work?

How do you make something like this work in as fair a way as possible? ..... I do believe what is being pursued now with agriculture just displaces production to other countries with little regulation or standards and more emissions and all to sell more BMWs etc to them......its not exactly a good look.....

Is there such a thing as a fair transition or is it just a fairy tale.....because people are afraid of their livelihoods/being able to provide for their families......its very hard to trust the powers that be given their track record

And speaking as someone working on the ground the policies they are pursuing are not in the primary producers benefit and appear to me at least to encourage more production/cheaper prices......