Good guy with a gun shoots bad guy in Indiana

Snickers Man

Only four people killed in a shopping Mall in Indiana. A bad guy with a gun started shooting and three people were killed. Up pops a good guy with a gun and takes him out.

Gun nuts are ecstatic. "See. Told you. Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun" to paraphrase.

Read the full story here (Witness to Indiana mall shooting praised for killing gunman (yahoo.com))

I have only one question: why are there so many bad guys in America? This sort of thing seems to happen all the time, whether there's a good guy with a gun around or not. And as we saw at Uvalde, the good guys with guns are often not too keen to charge into their certain deaths when there's a bad guy about.

Why so many? What's WRONG with that place?

Overheal

"only four people"

Well that settles it, nothing wrong with guns. /thread

https://www.theonion.com/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attack-1819574361

Never gets old.

EOQRTL

Never understood why so many Irish people are so obsessed with American gun culture. They obviously don't want to fix the gun violence issue so leave them to it.

MarkR

But 400 good guys is too much seemingly.

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355229#Comment_119355229

because most irish people arent callous assholes.......

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355247#Comment_119355247

Lol. What?

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355247#Comment_119355247

How does that make one callous?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355229#Comment_119355229

It might be because so many of us have family and friends living there.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355288#Comment_119355288

They obviously don't want to fix the gun violence issue so leave them to it.

feeling or showing no sympathy for others : HARD-HEARTED a callous indifference to suffering (Merriam-Webster, 2b)

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355415#Comment_119355415

But they don't want to fix it. The democrats might make some sort of noise now and again claiming they want to fix it but they actually don't. They are so ultimately in bed with arms companies and manufacturers, the same ones who make the guns wholesale for the American market who in turn sell multi-million shipments of weaponry to totalitarian kips such as Saudi Arabia who bomb the $hit out of countries in the depths of a absolute total Hellscape famine. Totalitarian kips such as Saudi Arabia where only last weekend President Biden was fistbumping and begging the murdering head of the brutal regime there. Why the F**k should I or anyone here in Ireland care how that thick, ignorant and hypocritical nation manages its affairs or culture? It is a basket case.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355451#Comment_119355451

This doesn't repudiate that it results in callousness.

osarusan

Why so many? What's WRONG with that place?

I have made this point before, but it does seem to me that the argument that there's something inherent in the American way of life that produces an inordinate number of people with some predisposition towards mass shootings, which is often put forward as a defence of gun rights, is actually a very strong argument against gun rights.

I mean, surely the very people most likely to go on a mass shooting spree are the ones who need access to guns removed.

In the same way that a person with a predisposition to arson has their access to fire-making materials removed, or a person with suicidal tendencies has access to dangerous items removed.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355474#Comment_119355474

Yeah America, the most callous nation on the face of the entire Earth. Why should I care? I may as well care about the welfare of some other psychotic mass murdering piece of trash too while I'm at it.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355491#Comment_119355491

I rest my case folks.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355493#Comment_119355493

What is your case? "America is great and morally infallible" Because its not, and you know it yourself

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355502#Comment_119355502

No that wasn't it. Juuust the callousness aspect of it.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355606#Comment_119355606

Fair enough. I'll take being labelled as 'callous' all day everyday, as opposed to rightly being labelled a hypocritical psychotic gaslighting mass murdering piece of trash who any sane person would run 5 thousand miles away from.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355654#Comment_119355654

It shouldn't worry you. I was just perplexed some tried to deny it was callous. It is, with reasons to be.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355692#Comment_119355692

Well state your reasons then. Because you haven't given any whatsoever. Give me the reasons I should care how America runs it affairs, because I've given you plenty of legitimate ones why an Irish person like me doesn't have to care at all. Refute them.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355716#Comment_119355716

I never said you should; I think you are over-analyzing my contribution.

Black Swan

The news media only reports a tiny number of shootings in USA. Consequently, they are anecdotal and sensational, and such cases tell us little about the problem that may have exited since the nation’s founding.

This is a complex problem. More than likely in need of a complex solution. Doubt there are simple answers or a cliche silver bullet to solve it. Excuse my attempt at humor.

Labeling Americans as this or that, along with the USA culture, does not suggest a solution. Furthermore, such labeling may overlook the cultural, regional, ideological, and complex demographic diversity between people residing there.

Closer to home, I suspect there are considerable differences between the residents of Dublin and Galway, both historically and today. And if we compare the the Republic with Northern Ireland, and toss in the troubles, I have heard many misleading attempts by various folks across the pond to label the Irish with a simple this or that.

To confound the simple labeling of USA further, toss in the historic immigration of millions of Irish to America. And as a side note, not many of the 200 or so countries of the world celebrate Paddy’s Day with so much national exuberance as they do every year America.

There have been several scholarly studies of this problem in USA, but unfortunately lack the wisdom to harness the will to effectively implement change.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355764#Comment_119355764

Well, you are the one trying to label and analyze me and people like me as callous for not overtly caring about a dysfunctional, lying, hypocritical, mass murdering, failed system that doesn't even care about itself.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355804#Comment_119355804

Now I know for a fact you are overanalyzing. I was replying to @EOQRTL.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355814#Comment_119355814

Yeah and I agree with that poster 100%, so you can reply to me too. But for some reason, you won't? So, go on and explain, why exactly should we care?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355830#Comment_119355830

For what reason would I? Again you are overanalyzing what I'm saying here far too much, to the point you're trying to put words in my mouth.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355894#Comment_119355894

You called me CALLOUS Overheal. You said that. You are the one trying to put labels and words onto and into peoples mouths, not me. So own what you said and explain exactly what you said, that's all I'm asking. What's with your ridiculous merry-go-round where you won't own up to what you said? You called out my "callousness" so go on, call it out this dastardly "callousness" exactly.

BigRighysteria

I've owned a couple of firearms for over a decade now and none of them have ever loaded themselves doddled into town and killed people.

Nobody really wants to solve the problem as to why these young men with their whole lives ahead of them go out and kill en masse.

When a mass shooting happens the Democrats can use it as a brush to beat the republicans with and the Republicans can use it to fire up their voterbase by saying the commie Dems want to take your guns.

It's a country that never gets out of election mode and when your in the business of elections the only thing that matters to you are votes.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355930#Comment_119355930

I didn't deny agreeing that it was callousness.

But, then you wound yourself up assuming that I was at all trying to tell you 'no you really need to give a **** about the dumpster fire America'

But I wasn't. And I keep telling you you're over analysing but then you seemingly kept at it. You inserted subtext where I hadn't put any.

I chimed in on a simple point of semantics by posting the 2b definition of Callous from Merriam-Webster. I even reiterated that to you:

No that wasn't it. Juuust the callousness aspect of it.

Just to clear my position up for you: Nothing wrong with being callous and even apathetic about the gun epidemic in the USA, it's warranted given the state of things and the state of US Politic. It is nonetheless objectively callous.

Faugheen

Christ this thread is painful already.

It's absolutely callous to not give a **** about so many people being killed in a manner like this.

If you don't care, that's absolutely fine. You do you.

magicbastarder

has anyone actually tried the 'see? a good guy with a gun...' line with this yet?

it'd be like being three nil down and then scoring a goal before the final whistle, and claiming you won the match because you were the last team to score.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355958#Comment_119355958

It's not callousness to disregard entities that you find morally and physically reprehensible. Which America undeniably and totally is, especially if you witness the damage such entities engage with on a daily basis. It is also not callous to disregard and ignore entities that have no hesitation in inflicting the maximum amount of damage through their despicable actions. I stay the f**k away from the likes of that, I want no truck with it, much like I stay away from any sort or make of criminal that might live 10 miles down the road from me. Me doing that doesn't make me or anybody else like me "callous", far far from it.

BigRighysteria

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355995#Comment_119355995

You are glad there was a good guy with a gun there though right?....right?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119356007#Comment_119356007

If you say so.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119355415#Comment_119355415

Why should i show sympathy, yanks don't care for themselves for goodness sake. Like i said don't understand the obsession over it.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119356050#Comment_119356050

Fair enough. I understand the obsession, and I understand why you wouldn't though.

Potential-Monke

If you want callousness, you don't need America. Just go into the mask thread in the Covid forum. Everyone is callous in their own way. We all have our own concerns which shape our opinions. I also don't give a rats about 'Merica and their issues. I don't care about most people tbh, I think humanity has such opportunities but constantly and consistently do the worse thing. People only care about something when it affects them directly. A lot of people pretend to care, to have this mythical "empathy" for each and every suffering out there, but it's not, it's sympathy.

'Merica knows what needs to be done, but no one has the balls to take on half of the country.

Beasty

Thread has to some extent descended into bickering between a small number of posters

Someone starts one of these every time a shooter/murderer in the US gets reported, and I suspect there's not much new to discuss in this particular example

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