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Hot Spell - Saturday 16th July onwards

  • 12-07-2022 8:17pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    During the past week or so, the GFS has been hinting at some notable hot weather for Western Europe around the 15th July. Some runs had gone off showing ridiculous high temperatures getting widespread 40s into SE England and nearing 50C in southwestern France. For context, the UK record maximum temperature is 38.7C from July 2019 and France 45.9C in June 2019. The values on these GFS runs would completely smash these records to bits, similar to the Canadian heatwave in June 2021. Now and again, we've also seen the possibility of 30C or more being achieved in Ireland. The extreme temperatures being projected by the GFS have been pegged back a touch as time has gone on but only relatively speaking as records would still be tumbling or be vulnerable. The warm weather for Ireland meanwhile has only gotten more extreme lately with runs. It's not only the GFS doing this now, it's also the ECM, GEM and UKMO showing Ireland getting a direct feed by Monday 18th July. Details given below.

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    The latest ECM run as of writing this post shows an exceptional hot airmass reaching Ireland by Monday 18th July with 850hPa temperatures widely exceeding 20C. On the surface, such high temperatures aloft would usually correlate with mid to upper 30s but due to Ireland's maritime climate, moderation must be taken into consideration. Favoured areas such as inland regions would achieve over 30C. In fact, the raw ECM temperatures indicate values of 32C around Kildare/Dublin on both Monday and Tuesday. Much of the north Midlands and parts of Clare/Kerry/Limerick indicated to reach at least 30C on Monday. The 30s become more confined to the east on Tuesday. It is uncertain whether it would be appropriate to apply the usual 2C correction to the raw values because as it is, such widespread nature of 30s is exceptional and 32C for the east would be challenging records. The record max for County Dublin for example is 31.0C.


    GEM also shows 32C in a similar vicinity to the ECM on Monday around Meath/Kildare area. GFS shows 32C being achieved in Clare. Both models overall are variations on a theme already described above by the ECM.

    The UKMO shows the 20C isotherm at 850hPa clearing the entire country through Monday. The only known time the 20C isotherm in recent history has reached Ireland was the early hours of 28th June 2019 into the far southeast so this would be phenomenal. It does not show very high surface temperatures compared to the other models despite its exceptional 850hPa temperatures. However, I have never found the UKMO to be very good at picking up daily temperatures - the shorter range hi-res UKV is by far superior in this regard.

    The core of the heat has been pushed back a few times, at one time it was around the 15th and now it's around the 18th/19th which is still like 6-7 days away. So there's always the possibility that this hot weather could completely miss Ireland or significantly toned down due to different placements of a Biscay cut off low which drives the hot airmass northwards. However, for the moment, we pretty much have model agreement so it's certainly one to watch! This is likely to be a brief spell of hot weather but as brief it is, records could tumble.

    The Irish definition for a heatwave is for a station to record 5 consecutive days with a maximum temperature of 25C or more.

    REMINDER to be nice to one another. Let's keep the discussions civil and friendly! People have different preferences and they have no bearing on the weather that occurs, let's respect them.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭hunter2000


    I have the heating on last two nights I welcome a bit of heat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭Hairypoppins




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The ECM 12z ensembles are complete and that is quite a tight stack of ensemble members all coming very close together in agreement almost a week away.

    The high rainfall totals around the break down 20th of July has to involve some sort of thundery scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I still don't think the national record will be broken.

    Too far out, it's still FI, and still getting pushed back run by run.

    I can see 30-32 in places though.

    If these charts still show the same on Friday morning, I might think differently.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Met Eireann is reporting 29C for Dunshaughlin on Monday. I have never ever seen anything like that listed on their website for this location 1 day away let alone almost a week away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    That low off Iberia which is diverting this hot air our way looks very happy to do so!

    That low off Iberia which is diverting this hot air our way looks very happy to do so!

    GFS 18z is rolling out... 66hrs now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    I agree. It's to far out. Yes it is more than likely going to be a hot, if short, spell, but surely to get temperatures in Ireland to rival 33.3°C, then there would need to be a longer build up. To go from 20 to 24 over the next few days to talk of 31, 32 and even 33, would surely be a freak occurrence. I'd be excited of it did but I just don't see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,368 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    The temperature map on the Met Éireann app makes for some interesting reading when you look at Monday and Tuesday. Several 30's and high 20's right across the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Not when the 20 degree 850 isotherm is overhead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    The difficulty of Ireland beating its 1887 record cannot be understated as has been described by many on here before. That's why I'm more focused on local records.

    I took my monthly max temperature by county record and compiled it into this simplified map to give an idea of the records for the different Irish counties (minus the Northern Ireland counties as I have still to analyse those). This is not a complete or definitive map however as with the original dataset because I am missing data from some important stations such as Mostrim in Longford. No county is equal as the station distribution/history is uneven with some counties getting very little record history to compare to (Westmeath only has Mullingar for example). This is all I can do at the moment, what we can base off of and refer back to when/if records are challenged next week.

    If individual station records are reached, they will also be noted as always by me and other stat enthusiasts of course.


    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    I'd be more interested in the cloud overhead.

    Upper air temps get far too much attention in both summer and winter on this forum.

    They are not reliable indicators of a weather forecast for 6 or 7 days out.

    In a continental climate they may be more useful.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great work as Sryan. Is there a site were I can go through the years and see the records?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Yeah, I posted the full dataset in the hottest and coldest counties thread on Boards here. I also give the minimum temperatures there too. Mind that it may be difficult to read because of how Boards compresses the image of the table.

    Photography site - https://sryanbruenphoto.com/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks Sryan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭cheezums


    GFS has a 34 in Ennis at 4pm Monday. 😲



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,221 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    ECM Ensemble charts for 850-hPa temperature at the peak on Monday. These are the isotherms reaching the south coast.

    Mean of members: 20 C

    Max members: 25 C

    Min members: 10 C

    There's a pretty high spread over Biscay, reflecting still a high level of uncertainty. There is still a good way to go see exactly how that Iberian low positions itself and how glancing the blow of heat will be. Interesting few days ahead...





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Ennis is very enclosed, lots of narrow streets and it's usually very warm when it's sunny, and Im sure the fountain on the lahinch road will be popular lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    That reminds me of the Arpege showing 34C around Clare/Galway for 28th and 29th June 2018. Arpege tends to slightly overcook temperatures I find, what will it say this time around...

    As for cloud cover, that will be a critical factor of course in achieving these high temperatures but in my opinion shouldn't be looked at the moment in much confidence.

    Just whilst on the topic of it and for interest, GFS 18z shows another very warm to hot run for Monday getting up to 31C on the Meteologix maps again in the Dublin area and Clare. Cloud cover looks minimal for the north midlands southward then, pretty cloudy on Sunday and Tuesday with more breaks the latter. ECM shows a mostly cloudy start to Monday with clearer conditions coming up from the south coinciding with the hot airmass. Lots of cloud, generally high, on Tuesday so would limit potential greatly but would feel muggy. Getting the sense Monday has the greatest potential here for temperatures to rocket at the moment but changes will likely occur and cloud cover will be picked up better closer to the time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    Very interesting. Hope we can be much more certain tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭US3


    I've never been so excited about a weather event in my life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    I'm looking forward to it to but not going to allow expectations to get the better of me. We have been here so many times before (admittedly in winter in relation to snow) and bitter experience has shown that it can all disappear least than 48 hours out. If the models hold until Friday and continue to point towards what could be a savage 2 or 3 days of weather, then it looks like it's game on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    I'm more interested in the thunderstorm potential from this tbh. Heat is annoying, frankly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Looking at the charts, the heat seems to be moving further north up the country and spreading more across the entire country in general? While the earlier charts showed the south / South east (cork/Waterford/Wexford) having 28-30, it seems we will now have around 24/25 while areas such as Clare, Dublin, Meath etc will get the 29/30. I'm really looking forward to the posts from these areas in the days to come!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Sligo could get another 30c just like last year. At worst back yard should anyways.

    Interestingly on the morning of the hot Monday there's a Southwest wind that becomes South. If it stays Southwest the heat pump will be disabled somewhat and we will get high twenties.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,336 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Latest charts from the ECM including the lead up which is also important as it begins to store the heat before big temperatures arrive. To Note Tuesday now looking very warm to hot as well from both the ECM and GFS.


    Sun reaching the mid to high 20's

    Mon widespread mid to high 20''s , possibly over 30'C in places

    Tuesday widespread mid to high 20's , possibly over 30'c in places

    Very warm at night from the mid teens to not dropping below 20 in places especially Sun into Mon, Mon into Tues, Tues into Weds.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,336 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Currently the ECM showing Tues into Weds as the thundery breakdown.




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,336 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Sahara dust might play a part also if even in a minute way as it is carried in the plume of warm air heading towards us over the weekend.

    Just noting the sea surface temperatures too rising a couple of degrees over the weekend.





    Worth keeping an eye on the Humidex charts also , the projected real feel temperatures when you add the humidity.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 00z seems to have more of an overall spread of high 20s, low 30s right across the country on the Monday.

    Sunday:

    Monday will be the all important event.

    Tuesday is the final day of hot weather with a cooldown occuring during the afternoon.

    After Tuesday we look set to stay warm for another 5 to 7 days, temperatures generally low twenties but a chance of mid twenties at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭esposito


    I really hope we can stay warm to very warm after this hot spell. Looking good so far for that to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Can't say I'm looking forward to it. Hot sweaty weather just puts me in bad humour. Thankfully though its a fairly brief spell regarding the main heat. Would be more looking forward to any thunderstorm potential though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,883 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Hi, I'm just here to say that I'm leaving the country for holidays on Sunday for 3 weeks, so based on that, this warm spell is definitely coming to Ireland.


    Always

    Happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


    It's like thunder storms.. they only happen when I've left an area..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    I really hope this hot spell materialises. I was going to bring my mother to Enniskillen on Monday for a day out and shopping but we postponed it to Wednesday as it will be to warm in the car and for walking around. I also don't want to miss out on the buzz of boards on Monday as the temperatures rise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    MONTHLY FORECAST, ISSUED TUESDAY 12 JULY 2022

    Week 1 (Friday 15 July to Thursday 21 July)

    Week 1 will be dominated by high pressure, above average temperatures and mostly dry conditions. There is a chance that there could be some very warm or hot conditions and a combination of high day and night time temperatures could lead to a high temperature warning over next weekend and the early days of next week.

    ———-

    Met Éireanns monthly Forecast issued yesterday



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    It's currently far too early to accurately forecast the risk of thunderstorms during the breakdown.

    GFS currently gives a rough guide but this will change alot over the coming days. Currently GFS doesn't have much support for thunderstorms away from Northern Ireland and Wales on the Monday and Scotland on the Tuesday.

    GFS 6z rolling out now so this chart will soon be redundant.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Im getting a 29 here on monday at the coast in west mayo on the met eireann outlook

    with a tropical night following, with a minimum of 20.

    This could be the second year in a row that a tropical night will be recorded in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Well, big diff down south in Cork for next few days inc the monday. At best 21 deg .. alot of 19 deg or less. No real sign of the late 20s 30s. Seems the coastal areas of the country will not see much difference than whats there now. Today is as usual cooler, says 20, no way, I would put it at 16, 17 max. Oh and CLOUD




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM 00z.

    Temps overall through Ireland and UK look on the low side considering the uppers. I wonder is the ECM undercooking this potential.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    ECM shows 32C over Meath again on Tuesday @Gonzo on the zoomed in Meteologix maps, about right to me if sunshine and wind direction favour it.

    GFS 06z showed a hot Monday with 31C a possibility for inland eastern regions and widely 30C for the Midlands but decently cooler on Tuesday with lots of cloud around, whilst still achieving mid 20s in the east, high teens/low 20s in the west.

    GEM almost identical to GFS but warmer on Tuesday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Cork Airport is literally 19 degrees so you can put it at whatever you want :P that's a fact.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Met Eireann now going for 30C both days Monday and Tuesday for my location. This has to be a once in a lifetime event for Meath just like the 1985 thunderstorm. The temperature in Meath has only reached 30C once since I was born and I'm in my 40s, that's how rare this is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    You have earned it Gonzo...........crack out those sunglasses and flip flops!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭WJL


    Anyone remember July 1983? I was 7 and it seemed to have several thunderstorms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,248 ✭✭✭pad199207


    High Temperature Advisory for Ireland

    • Ireland will experience a hot spell Sunday and into early next week. Day time temperatures will widely reach the high twenties, possibly exceeding 30 degrees in some locations. Remaining uncomfortably warm overnight too. Updates to follow.​
    • Valid: 15:00 Wednesday 13/07/2022 to 00:00 Wednesday 20/07/2022
    • Issued: 15:00 Wednesday 13/07/2022
    • Updated: 16:00 Wednesday 13/07/2022 




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭Dazler97




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    I suppose it could be said that the upcoming heat is a shorter but sharper period of heat compared to the second half of last July.



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