How do you feel about Drag Queen Story Time?

MyLove4Satan

I am not bothered at all by Drag Queens, Trans or any adult making personal decisions in their life. But this stuff is well out of order.

https://youtu.be/XA07ta2tJpQ

anewme

Would you ever change the record ffs.

mcmoustache

This is just American fundamentalist Christian bullshít masquerading as concern to get idiots all outraged. You'd swear drag queens in kids' entertainment was a new phenomenon.

If you're getting outraged as you hang around the sorts of places where the term "groomer" is bandied about freely, you're a rube, a mark, a victim of a simple con for simple people. I know, I know - nobody likes being told that they're falling for a con. Acknowledging that you fell for such a stupid con is hard and possibly beyond you. It's much easier to keep filling your head with shíte while you tell yourself that it's the world that's wrong and that you're the one who really knows what's going on by watching youtube videos by American rightwing christians who you think would never deceive you.

Anyway, you won't be convinced that you're being lead down the garden path. You'll hop from one hobby-horse to the next, just like any other good mark. Next week, it'll be homosexuality in movies or whatever else the grifters have cooked up for you.

Have fun!

Ham_Sandwich

anti-trans hysteria buy religious nutjobs

Sardonicat

FFS, this again.

It's just strange and disturbing to me. I just dont understand why this is becoming trendy these days? What is the point of them? Do they really think this is needed to protect that one lone child who might be gay? As if it's that difficult to come out anymore? Ffs, nobody cares anymore. In fact if you come out it's largely something that's universally celebrated these days.

BattleCorp

Someone in drag performing in an appropriate way in front of kids, yeah I'm fine with that. And when I say appropriate, I mean a non-sexual way.

But drag artists don't always perform in an appropriate way in front of kids...............e.g. the Dungarvan performance in the pic below.

Gregor Samsa

OP is the worst Satanist ever. Basically comes across as a very conservative, if somewhat paranoid, Christian. Lucifer would not be impressed.

Wezz

No issues with it at all. Its not like they are reading the kids erotica or anything, its your usual bog standard kids story told by someone in a costume. People just see a guy in makeup and **** their pants.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308751#Comment_119308751

What was blocked out in the photo please?

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308920#Comment_119308920

I'm guessing their underwear. I doubt they were naked under the dress.

You're doing God's work, op. Keep it up.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308931#Comment_119308931

What filth do you imagine is going on here?

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308993#Comment_119308993

I'm guessing something like a punch and judy show. Why, what is it? Is it a drag artist reading to kids?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308593#Comment_119308593

Maybe it’s more than “one lone child”? Maybe coming out as trans is still really, really hard?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308931#Comment_119308931

So the same kind of thing you’d see at any beach or any dance show or any gymnastics event then? Did it really merit a headline story from The Liberal (sic) or do you think that they were stirring things up maybe?

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309014#Comment_119309014

No, it must be filth. If it wasn't filth, there wouldn't be a red dot, would there? I mean, If the likes of The Liberal would't be so disingenuous as to put a red dot over something as innocuous as a photo of man's underwear, in order to make it appear worse than it actually was, would they?

MrMusician18

I was reading about the hoo-ha over this in Mayo, so I decided to do a bit of reading to try and understand what this was all about.

So for the uninformed, drag queen story time is a San Francisco invention (because of course it is) developed by the founder because they thought libraries were too hetronormative. DQST was developed to expose children to the other genders out there. Readings are often of stories that promote inclusion around gender issues and the like. So that's what it is.

Proponents seem to argue that it's no different to panto, but since they have different goals (entertainment Vs teaching about gender through entertainment) that is at best a gross distortion.

Would I send my child to one of these? Nope. Children have enough worries without the need to throw their gender into the mix. We have a middle class obsession with being seen to be inclusive in this sphere and that's what's driving this.

I know one family where a young teen is having identity issues and the parents are finding it terribly difficult to manage. I don't see why anyone would want to potentially invite this particular wolf to the door.

dorothylives

It's just another trendy American thing that right on mommies and daddies can tell everyone they know that they took their kids to see it. Ultimately nobody cares. Why anyone would need to take their kids to see a drag artist I don't know, presumably Twitter likes. It'll die out soon enough. The more people ignore it the faster it'll disappear and the trendy mommies and daddies will have to find some new fad to Tweet about.

growleaves

'Would I send my child to one of these? Nope.'

Me neither.

I've given up arguing about it though.

It is obvious to me that drag queens are expressing adult sexuality though others will swear blind they aren't.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309067#Comment_119309067

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309076#Comment_119309076

Yeah, the Liberal are only trying to stoke up controversy as they are essentially a media outlet that stokes up religious sh1te and hatred of foreigners. I'm quite happy to label The Liberal a shower of cnuts.

That said, just because they are a shower of cnuts, that doesn't mean that they are wrong in this instance. The performer did, as is obvious from the picture, pull up their dress in what looks like a sexual manner. I'm fine with someone in drag reading to kids, or any sort of performance in front of kids as long as it is non-sexual. Performances should be age appropriate.

Not quite the same as seeing a bikini/underwear on a beach or the clothing worn at gymnastics.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309137#Comment_119309137

This is the myth of the conspiracy of subversive gay/trans brainwashing that leads to Florida's "don't say gay" laws and repressions in Russia, etc that denounce any such expression as "promoting" homosexuality and harming children though "gay propaganda". The notion that if kids are just left alone without the queers and the trannies telling them about stuff, they'll all just grow up fine and normal. It's bullshit. You can't make a person gay or trans by having a gay or trans person talk to them. It's not a contagious disease.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309137#Comment_119309137

How’s the “bury your head in the sand” approach working out for that family? Do you think that kids will turn gay or trans by attending story time?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309203#Comment_119309203

Can you explain the increase in teens that are now displaying gender and identity issues over say 30 years ago. And don't throw out that old trope of "acceptance", because if that were the case then you'd have as many older people coming out with these issues now too.

So it's not that it's contagious, it's just that many teens can and do struggle with their self esteem and can latch onto ideas that they can think are the solution when they are not - or rather incorrectly label themselves as such.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309178#Comment_119309178

I don’t think attendance is compulsory.

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309192#Comment_119309192

Similar filth on the BBC, shared wantonly on YouTube to all ages, without a red dot or a care in the world!

https://youtu.be/tjJc8xLYhak?t=230

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309247#Comment_119309247

You don’t think that societal attitudes were a barrier to coming out 30 years ago?

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309252#Comment_119309252

It isn't.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309243#Comment_119309243

What are you on about? That family have done everything they can for their child, private child psychology, the lot, lots of support but the issues remain.

Will one event "turn" a child? Probably not, but I still wouldn't send my child.

ancapailldorcha

If the best argument against it is a video dump and 2 sentences, I'd say it's probably fine.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309291#Comment_119309291

Did they “invite the wolf to their door” to use your own phrase?

Gregor Samsa

Mainstream family TV entertainment in the 80s. Legs akimbo, and no red dots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkqxagJglaI

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309255#Comment_119309255

Yeah, there's a difference between Mrs. Brown which is aimed at adults and what we were talking about.

Anyway, we won't see eye to eye so I'll leave you to it.

amdublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309137#Comment_119309137

But kids worry about gender anyway. And hearing stories like this reassure them it is okay to talk about it/that what they are feeling is normal (whether straight/gay/trans/whatever their feeling is). The stories/costumes don't make them change into something they are not

amdublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309350#Comment_119309350

Have you seen Mrs Brown?? I don't think it is aimed at adults at all? To me it would be "family entertainment", It was shown on BBC as their big Christmas Day special/offering ffs

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308404#Comment_119308404

Voice over is Laurence Fox.

He of the UK's 'Reclaim Party' https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309368#Comment_119309368

I never recall anyone in my school during my day having gender issues.

Kids worrying about their gender is a very new phenomenon.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309415#Comment_119309415

You mean “I never recall anyone in my school in my day speaking openly about gender issues “.

I had a Christian Brothers education in the 80s. The only gender education we had was Danny LaRue.

I see the guy that I shared a desk with in first year posting on the school group on Facebook with a female name.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309412#Comment_119309412

I hear he’s a racist now.

BattleCorp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309399#Comment_119309399

It's not really meant for small kids, hence the 10pm and 10.20pm start times on Christmas Day and New Years Day.

Look, I'm fine with drag stuff in front of kids as long as it's non-sexual. Kids have plenty of time to learn about that stuff when they are older.

amdublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309415#Comment_119309415

I am totally straight. But when I was in first year I remember staring at my maths teacher boobs. Then wondering was I gay. And worrying was I straight but it was weird that I was obsessed with her boobs.

With hindsight it was just plain old teenage hormones going bizarre/running amok. But also with hindsight, wouldn't it have been nice to have been able to share my worries and just know "you are what you are, you will be who you will be, what you are feeling is normal"

And I want to be totally clear: Sharing these feelings would NOT HAVE CHANGED WHO I AM. Just because I could talk about something was not going to magically convert me into a person who is gay.

I did a lot of worrying about crazy things when I was a teen. And when I was pre teen. I was a very anxious little girl. I think much better we talk about things and explore them now. And things like story time: stories about anything, gender...death (that was a big anxiety for me when I was around 6) bring these things out in the open allowing children and young people the opportunity to talk.

Wouldn't you hate to think of your child or your young person/teen in bed at night not sleeping because they were worried sick about stuff and were afraid to share their fears with you?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309476#Comment_119309476

I would absolutely hate if my child was lying in bed questioning their gender, particularly if it's the result of someone filling their heads with nonsense about gender.

My children will always have my ear though and will always be treated compassionately, with whatever they come to me with.

Cody montana

Great fun.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309555#Comment_119309555

They probably won’t come to talk to their parents, if the parents display the attitudes shown on much of this thread.

amdublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309555#Comment_119309555

Don't say gay! Then your child won't be gay! Magic protection from the gay and trans curse! Good luck with that ;)

Bannasidhe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309448#Comment_119309448

Some people reckon he's more than that.

https://twitter.com/poguesofficial/status/1329394157354446850?lang=en

dorothylives

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309255#Comment_119309255

The most offensive thing about Mrs Browns boys is that it's given airtime. I physically cringe at it. I don't watch it. I've no interest in drag, it's probably great fun to see a live adult show. But there's no valid reason for drag queens to be reading stories to kids, none whatsoever. I can't think of a single reason why any school would have it or why any parent would bring their kids to it other than because they're trying to score woke points. Here's an idea, parents could try reading to their own kids.

It's not inclusive, it's absurd. Here kiddies, come see the man in a dress pretending to be a woman, what's that even about. On what planet did someone think this was a good thing. What issue does it address? On the other spectrum there's the video most of us saw of a with a man with his cock out in front of little kids and the photo of kids at a drag show where the words 'it won't suck itself' were clear to be seen. It's pretentious middle class twaddle that makes bored middle class mommies and daddies feel good about themselves and gives them something to talk about at the next soul destroying dinner party.

Penn

My nephews went to a show like one of these. An event hosted by someone caked in makeup, a garish outfit, a ludicrious wig, and they could barely walk in the shoes they were wearing to the point you could tell it just wasn't natural for them.

Think his name was Bozo The Clown...

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309593#Comment_119309593

If Mr Musician feels his kids aren't of an age to learn or understand these things then who is anyone to say he is wrong,

Let kids be kids ,

Mr Musician conceived them children or at least has parental status over them, he feeds them, he puts clothes on there backs, he raises them , he spends his hard earned money on them, there for he has every right to project his own views on them ,

No else has that right , not me, not you ,not the LBGT community & defiantly not governments ,

He's said nothing hurtful or hateful so no need to be smart,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309044#Comment_119309044

I think one lone child is being generous in, say, an average class of 30 kids. That's 3% which is pretty generous.

OK so there is an actual motivation behind these stunts? To make hypothetical trans kids feel better about themselves?

I would much prefer if teachers taught universal concepts like compassion, empathy etc which apply to everyone everywhere. Drag Queens are just not appropriate behaviour around kids. It's like taking kids to the pub. Sure, it's fine in and of itself. But the pub is an adult setting and it's just not appropriate for kids, generally speaking.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309789#Comment_119309789

It's really not 'pretty generous'.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#Ireland

A study of the responses of 7,441 individuals, conducted by the ESRI, found that 2.7% of men and 1.2% of women self-identified as homosexual or bisexual. A question based on a variant of the Kinsey scale found that 5.3% of men and 5.8% of women reported some same-sex attraction. Of those surveyed, 7.1% of men and 4.7% of women reported a homosexual experience some time in their life so far. It also found that 4.4% of men and 1.4% of women reported a "genital same-sex experience" (oral or anal sex, or any other genital contact) in their life so far.[53] The study was commissioned and published by the Crisis Pregnancy Agency in partnership with the Department of Health and Children.

I've often brought kids to the pub, generally for food, occasionally for other family events. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with bring kids to the pub.

Why would you refer to 'hypothetical' trans kids. Are you saying trans kids don't exist?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309706#Comment_119309706

Most of us didn't see the video you reference, because most of us don't follow far-right campaigns designed to stir up hatred against a vulnerable group, as a first step towards a broader attack on LGBTQ rights.

Would you be proposing a total ban on men in dresses telling stories to children?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309768#Comment_119309768

No one is impinging on Mr M's parental rights. No one is going to force his kids to attend story time.

He does seem to think that if kids don't hear about being gay or trans or talk about being gay or trans, they won't be gay or trans. That's not a sound theory.