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Dutch police fire at protesting farmers

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  • Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ Bruce Refined Squad


    this is definitely one to watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭323


    Aye, seems their government wants to slaughter 30% of their livestock To Meet Climate Goals. Though these greenies were all into their animal rights, apparently not.

    Just a matter of time before the rest of the EU push the same agenda.

    See their farmers have blocked an airport too, Long time since there but think its Groningen. Nothing in the media here & Twitter took it down.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    We are all in the firing line.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭bb12




  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭thinkabouit




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  • Registered Users Posts: 609 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    the Irish are as bad so if we left we would still get the same treatment



  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭bb12


    well surprise surprise (or not)...turns out that the minister of nature and nitrogen in the netherlands who is responsible for pushing this latest policy has a brother who owns Picnic, huge supermarket in netherlands, into which company Bill Gates has just invested 600 million

    looks like Bill is extending his land expansionist acquisitions outside of north dakota and elsewhere in the states and looking to europe now...

    how long before he sets his sights on irish farmland?





  • Registered Users Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In fairness what land Bill Gates owns is so small in terms of food production that it is irrelevant. He owns a lot of land.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I hope the Dutch Government succeed. Less mass produced beef and milk to contend with.

    Totally different system there. Ultra intensive systems. Not sustainable.

    It's a lesson for those pushing the intensive agenda's in Ireland

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Is the problem over there the massive debt farms carry ,they can not carry on if they reduce stocking



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,381 ✭✭✭amacca


    I think the problem is in order to meet the targets the smaller farmers will be driven out of business.....hadnt realised until recently they produce so much food for such a small country , it must be very intensive production with massive inputs and the inputs are going to be restricted . Afaik Govt has openly admitted farmers will be driven out of business and that's the way it is....................................The larger farms may be able to bear the costs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I get your point but to some level they are coming for all farmers across Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think some people forget about the intensity level.of some intensive farming. We see this in California and Texas where intensive farming is putting pressure on water tables. In Holland it just there pure sticking rates.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,773 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Comparison with Ireland is far fetched. The Dutch have 10 million pigs, 100 million poultry, 3.4 million bovines and 1.4 million sheep and goats.

    This in an area less than 1.5 times the size of Munster. A lot of that is on land reclaimed from the sea. It also has a population of 17.5 million.

    In 2000 only 10% of dairy herds were housed full-time. Now it's 30%. Yes it's amonia they are bet with as you point out. However it's the shear amount of it. There stocking rates are horrendous, but along with that virtually every farmer is stocked that way.

    Everything is virtually feedlot based and producing slurry that needs to be spread.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭ginger22


    It is obvious from the figures you give it is the 17.5 million population is the problem. There are only 3.4 million bovines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,119 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    To add to it further the researchers at the nature reserves claim the majority of ammonia wafts over from Germany.

    This is going to spread Bass.

    You can even see how ammonia emissions have been talked about in the North and border counties of Ireland.

    It's definitely a stick and it's the one they'll use on livestock.

    Ammonia is nothing when the air we breathe is 78% nitrogen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭laoisgem


    If your depending on any type of payment from DAFM then that would be a big mistake.



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