Irish Blame Culture

Count Dracula

It always bothers me, that in Ireland in particular, as soon as something goes wrong, or as soon as something is reported in the news as not going to plan, especially where mainstream media see an opportunity to land someone or something important in it... that all hell seems to break loose?

It amazes me how quick people are to lunge at the government, or the Gards, or the unions, or the foreigners.... or the something something whoever it is.... deemed responsible for the phuck up? Outrage is announced like a badge of war and the tut tutting commences.

What is it about Irish people constantly pointing the finger at each other?

Signore Fancy Pants

Fcuking thread starters!

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281452#Comment_119281452

Fecking first replies. You know its your fault now. This is going to turn into a mess ALL because of you.

Jim_Hodge

It's not uniquely an Irish thing at all. It happens in any country with a free press.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281468#Comment_119281468

So blaming the foreigners. Typically irish.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281832#Comment_119281832

You what?

Good luck.

odyssey06

In other countries there is accountability... people resign or are sacked for "phuck ups"... here we have to raise an angry mob and still they often brazen it out. Look at Dublin Airport.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281841#Comment_119281841

Seriously?

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281897#Comment_119281897

The CEO of DAA is already stepping down. What else do you want him to do? Put him in the stocks and throw turnips at him?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058252790/irish-blame-culture

You haven't been abroad much, have you?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281832#Comment_119281832

I blame your parents.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282011#Comment_119282011

Entire board should be gone and he should never be given similar levels of responsibility even again. He isn't "stepping down". His move is unrelated to his incompetence Dublin Airport, moving on to a role with similar renumeration in Greencore isn't he? So how is that stepping "down"?

There is no accountability.

Gremlinertia

This far in the thread and no one mentioning blaming themselves?? SHAME ON ME!!

Quite the opposite really. No-one is responsible for anything in this country.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282049#Comment_119282049

No you never blame yourself. If you can't blame someone else you come up with some weasel words like "We all partied" !

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281841#Comment_119281841

I blame the people with no sarcasm antennae.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282027#Comment_119282027

Sigh. I do as well.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282011#Comment_119282011

I worked for an ad agency that had DAA on the books and when there was a mistake (initially made by the DAA) they wanted heads to roll, demanded the firing of a designer, a written apology in the Irish Times and lots of free work, they were ruthless and petty. They were a horrible client, Quinn were almost as bad.

Strumms

Severe shortfalls in responsibility and accountability are two things that drive ‘blame’ culture.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282258#Comment_119282258

But it's not my fault!

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282292#Comment_119282292

……

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282343#Comment_119282343

I blame you. I've done nothing wrong...EVER!

Potential-Monke

It started to explode as soon as people realised they could sue for inane or self inflicted reasons and get a hefty pay day out of it. Always someone else's fault.

Bobblehats

IBC that sh!t and incorporate it.

“It’s all the rage”

Drunken Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282011#Comment_119282011

Yes, pretty much.

There are numerous things that have happened due to managerial incompetence where I believe those in charge should be jailed. DAA being a prime example- say for instance a bomb is smuggled past a tired, completely disinterested security scanner who has lost the will to care to do his 14 quid an hour job on a Sunday morning. Why shouldn't the race to the bottom cowboys, both in DAA and the Dept of Transport, be jailed for allowing it to happen?

Riddle101

I don't think it's an Irish thing tbh, it seems like people in general look for someone or something to blame because it's easier for them to do that than accept our own failings. Also, there is a fair bit of ignorance involved as well. Sometimes when I hear people complain about the Gardaí it seems like they blame them more out of personal bias than justification, or they don't really know the full story.

y0ssar1an22

well i mean, when something goes wrong there is usually someone at fault. nowt wrong with pointing that out IMO.

T-Maxx

But but but...

'valuable lessons have been learnt '

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282671#Comment_119282671

If incompetency was a crime, like everyone else, you would have done a stretch at some stage during your life.

Drunken Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283544#Comment_119283544

In my industry incompetence is a crime punishable by sentence of up to 12 months imprisonment and a 5K fine.

Quite amazing that a sh1tkicker on a building site is more open to prosecution than the CEO of an international airport but there you have it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283554#Comment_119283554

Unfortunately I think you are serious.

If negligence leads to serious injury or death, that can lead to prosecution, but you don’t go to jail if you can’t organise your team to carry out their task in a defined timeframe.

Apologies if you are just messing.

Drunken Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283574#Comment_119283574

Would you agree or disagree that paying security staff on Sundays less than a teenager at the airport McDonald's is on, is conductive to a work environment where a demotivated employee may fail to notice weapons or explosives being smuggled through the airport? The airport already failed dummy run audits on this issue recently, to near total media silence.

whisky_galore

It's rare in western culture these days for someone to do the honorable thing, hold up their hands and/or fall on their sword, it's all about trying to squirm out of responsibility by any means; hiding, deflection, lies, distraction, whatever. Classic trump and boris playbook.

whisky_galore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283574#Comment_119283574

True, but if you fcuk up at high level in the corporate world, you shouldn't simply walk into another high paying job like our friend in the DAA, leaving someone else pick up the pieces.

Jinglejangle69

Personal responsibility doesn’t exist in Ireland.

Its all the governments fault how peoples lives end up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283618#Comment_119283618

Do you agree that a site manager who pays block layers less than staff in McDonalds is at risk of being jailed?

Can’t believe I typed that line.

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283674#Comment_119283674

Is the government responsible for your personal happiness and wellbeing?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283661#Comment_119283661

Hey, if there is someone out there who wants to give him that job, that is their problem, not his. Still doesn’t mean incompetence should be punished with jail time though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283647#Comment_119283647

You think that is a new phenomenon that only began in 2016? Seriously? History is littered with incompetence and failure to acknowledge.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283674#Comment_119283674

Remember when Kenny had the audacity to suggest that individuals themselves were to blame for getting into the financial difficulties they got into post crash, or something like that?

There was a huge backlash.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283798#Comment_119283798

They are in part, a large part.

maybe ask anyone on a hospital waiting list… trying to get well.

or

a person out of college with a good degree they worked hard for, and now trying to get a job and earn money commensurate to their skills, talent, interests and education but ohhh, the influx, driving down wages and taking up opportunity left right and centre.

So decisions governments make impact the wellbeing of citizens, their ability to be happy.

Count Dracula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283828#Comment_119283828

Hardly an audacious statement though?

If I make an investment surely I take the risk, as opposed to a politician not taking the risk and then passing a real and truthful comment on anyone who did?

Your statement pretty much epitomises my initial point. Rather than blaming themselves for making a bad investment, people choose to react with outrage when an opposition TD states the obvious?

How was the gubberment to blame for the global economic recession and the resulting credit crunch?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283928#Comment_119283928

I’d agree with you about the hospitals, but it is hard to blame a Government for the rest when we have almost full employment. No Government ever guaranteed that graduates would get the job they wanted, where they wanted, for the wage they wanted. Lots of people have good paying jobs, and are still unhappy. Ce la vie.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283938#Comment_119283938

My use of the word audacity was totally tongue in cheek.

I totally agree with what Kenny said but the usual characters were outraged.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283928#Comment_119283928

But wages for graduates are not being driven down.

There is a huge shortage of jobs on the IT sector and even entry level money is very good.

Where exactly is the influx driving down wages for people with good degrees?

Count Dracula

I still struggle with blaming the government on our health service. All citizens are entitled to free healthcare and we have one of the best paid frontline workforce in the world. Bed space is definitely an issue, but manageable. How often are people really sitting in trollies though? Honest question btw, I know that journalists love nothing better than camping themselves outside a rural A&E every flu season, literally rubbing their hands in anticipation of the ensuing bashfest. But can the same be said outside of January every year?

I went to college myself and learnt my own lessons. The government had nothing to do with it. I even did my own study. I never once felt the government were in control of my career prospects or academic destiny.

Drunken Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283794#Comment_119283794

How the hell would that even happen? Doubt there's a bricklayer in the whole country pulling less than a grand a week after tax at the minute.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119284122#Comment_119284122

You missed the point.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283994#Comment_119283994

The IT sector isn’t representative of a whole employment market.

Research shows wages across most industries are down or stagnant, supply vs demand

Neddyusa

Surprised the thread got this far without mention of covid....!

That was Manna from heaven for the blame-merchants,

Blaming people for an airborne virus more transmissible than the flu was akin to blaming your neighbour for the sun going down every evening.

They blamed;

Cheltenham attendees

Rugby supporters

People who went to pubs

People on planes

Meat factory workers

House-partyers

People outside their 5km

Travellers

Teenagers

Underground hairdressers

County final winners

The government

Funerals

People coming from England to visit for Christmas

People who didn't make Granny sit in the garden for Christmas Dinner

People without masks

Schools

Parents at the school gates

Barbecues

Pubs

Sorry, I'm sure I've missed a few, but there's bound to be a Joe Duffy thread to help you find some of the others.

Most important thing of the whole pandemic though - was ALWAYS having someone else to blame.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283938#Comment_119283938

They didn't cause the crash but having a system where the bank regulators were friends with bank CEOs didn't help. Its the governments job to actually deal with things like the housing crisis and if they continue to struggle to find a solution then they are to blame. There is always someone to blame and we need to blame actual people more.