Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

AllForIt

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0614/1304881-rte-pride/

I listened to over 3 hours of that discussion on podcast yesterday. Both sides of the argument were voiced.

For Dublin Pride to take this action after all RTE's promotion of Pride and LGBT peoples lives is quite stunning but at the same predictable.

It's predicable because LGBT activists in this country have no tolerance for democratic debate on anything LGBT related. That is their stance which is a stereotypical far left attitude.

I am personally delighted they have taken this action because it exposes them for the types they are, which can only work to their ultimate disadvantage in the long run.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250248/dublin-pride-ends-meida-partnership-with-rte-over-livelines-gender-identity-discussion

When a group can find fault with RTE for not being WOKE enough ,you know it's crazy clown world we are living in

Subzero3

Pride is another Ponzi scheme. Gay people don't need rainbow flags to feel part of society.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250248/dublin-pride-ends-meida-partnership-with-rte-over-livelines-gender-identity-discussion

Dr Panti Bliss-Cabrera, as she refers to herself - with no links to narcissism at all - said the following yesterday regarding the podcast and Liveline debate:

https://twitter.com/PantiBliss/status/1536506183745413121

Without realising it, it's not Dublin Pride or "Dr Bliss-Cabrera" (with no links to narcissism) that's the problem at all. Hmm...

Sowing division in society does not end well.

Ten of Swords

I presume it relates to this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2022/06/13/rtes-liveline-accused-of-facilitating-hate-speech-against-trans-people/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204023#Comment_119204023

Lol. Is that a real tweet? Please tell me it's a spoof

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204030#Comment_119204030

I wish it was a spoof.

A cursory glance at her Twitter feed regarding this Liveline matter reveals far worse besides.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204038#Comment_119204038

Ah ffs. That guy has jumped the shark with that one.

Absolutely shooting themselves in the foot with this nonsense.

Strumms

Toys out of their prams. Not a good look,

when they calm down and realise that to have they need rte more then rte needs them they’ll calm down..

that said I’d say a lot of media might be very careful with them after that.

elperello

I heard a good bit of the Liveline discussion but not all of it.

Based on what I heard I thought J Duffy moderated quite well and allowed a good discussion.

It's a difficult and complicated subject and Liveline gave it a good airing.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204062#Comment_119204062

it's definitely a difficult and complicated subject. That's what makes it interesting to discuss and debate.

The problem I have is that this subject is almost always shut down.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204029#Comment_119204029

"Psychologically, speech which is full of hatred is the same as hitting someone. " 😂

Opposing view=hatred=physical violence

Unsuprisingly, the Toimes doesnt actually go into detail of what was said on RTE, perhaps for fear of someone being physically assaulted by reading about it. 😂

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204030#Comment_119204030

It's not a tweet. it's an Irish Times headline.

O think they are right what they have done.

Why can we not just all live as one. Instead of the world going backwards it needs to go forwards.

If someone is gay or Lesbian or Trans big deal.

It should be a none issue at this stage.

It should be just like a person being straight is a none issue.

Let them live their lives and you live yours. Live and let live. The world would be a very boring place if everyone was the same.

Denny61

Thanks be to Christ ..if this means Normal topics and relevant to our everyday lives can now be discussed on likes of liveline.and other chat shows without being hijacked by lgbtw and what ever your having yourself lol.alleluia..and these groups push their agendas with insider help ..aka ..radio producers ..at best they should jst be tolerated..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204029#Comment_119204029

Behind a pay wall. 😤

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204073#Comment_119204073

Yes and at times a hard listen for lunchtime radio.

However I stuck with most of it and gained some insights.

If Dublin Pride asked me for advice I'd say reconsider.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204082#Comment_119204082

Agreed.

What matters is the cost of living crisis; how people can pay their bills; housing and the lack of it; the Ukraine war and its global implications; and so on. Normal issues that affect the entire population: both gay and straight.

This niche, which seems an almost upper-middle-class issue, appears to infect everything with the debate of how much of a victim certain people are regarding LGBT issues.

It's why I keep making the central point that ordinary, decent people will turn against LGBT people / rights issues, if this kind of nonsensical issue is raised almost incessantly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204082#Comment_119204082

I was talking about the tweet that I quoted....

I agree though, if someone is gay or straight, it shouldn't be a big deal.

It is a non issue to most people.

Which is why all this carry on is **** pathetic

AMKC

Here you go,

Social Affairs

RTÉ’s Liveline accused of facilitating ‘hate speech’ against trans people

Coalition of groups launched at Dublin’s Mansion House to support transgender and non-binary people in Ireland

Lynne Tracey, the mother of a young trans person, LGBTQ+ youth activist Jayson Pope and Matt Kennedy of BeLonG To at the launch of Trans Equality Together in Dublin's Mansion House on Monday. Photograph: Julien Behal

By Patsy McGarry

Mon Jun 13 2022 - 20:42

Dublin’s lord mayor and a leading human rights activist have expressed anger at recent RTÉ Radio 1 Liveline programmes which dealt with transgender issues. Lord Mayor Alison Gilliland said the subject was “being played out in the most appalling, disgusting way on our national airwaves in the name of public debate”. What had taken place “actually hinders, and creates more division”, she added.

<snip> - 0nly 1 para permitted per site copyright policy

Details available at transequalitytogether.com

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204045#Comment_119204045

" jumped the shark"........ ha, haven't heard that expression in ages

[Deleted User]

When the term " ,make amends for this situation" is used does that mean we want€€€€€???

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204129#Comment_119204129

And what about if they are Trans?

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204023#Comment_119204023

Dr? A professor of Gender discombobulation?

Oh the hate speech. 2 months in prison for me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204062#Comment_119204062

I thought he handled it all fairly well too.

Tonesjones

Can I just walk into the ladies changing rooms at the gym for a peep and a poop and if anyone says anything I can call them a transphobe bigot and have them up on social media and fired from work.

Should get an apology from the gym also.

Is this how it would go down?

Tomorrow then I have 5 a side with the lads so I identify as man again. Anyone says anything then they are a transphobe bigot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204165#Comment_119204165

5,000 trans people in the state,and 4 days coverage devoted to it on liveline

With greatest respect to the transfolk,that level of coverage seems extremely excessive per head population.

Ten of Swords

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204204#Comment_119204204

Mod - Stick to the topic

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204023#Comment_119204023

Agree with you to an extent. The militancy and goading of a minority of pro-trans people will not help their cause and likely increase the backlash against them, especially from the militants on the other side.

I haven't taken a poll on this, but there must be a lot of people in the middle-ground who are thinking, "Hang on, since when did the idea that there are two genders become a controversial stance?" You won't win those people over by attacking them.

Personally, I have no issue with someone self-identifying as whatever and with others respecting that identification, but if you have a penis or a vagina, it shouldn't really be surprising if someone regards you as male or female, respectively.

SunnySundays

Does anyone actually understand what was said that is being objected to? I can't seem to find the detail anywhere so difficult to have a view.

I really don't care whether a person is straight, gay, bi, trans etc. I judge people on how the treat me,very little else.

Usually like Panti,but I don't like being referred to as cis. I'm a woman and want to be referred to as a woman. If I can accept and respect the wishes of others, why can't they afford me the same courtesy.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204228#Comment_119204228

Usual like Panti, but I don't like being referred to as cis. I'm a woman and want to be referred to as a woman. If I can accept and respect the wishes of others, why can't they afford me the same courtesy.

As with everything, it's a question of power.

The LGBT community has been supercharged with power because of their recent successes. Those successes have been absolutely worthwhile and necessary - such as normalizing gay existence in society, and equal marriage, and so on.

But what is now happening is not linked to the above, but rather an over-reach of power.

Power doesn't just give up power. When it has it, it keeps it. It keeps striving for more, and more, and more, and more. All we're seeing now is an example of precisely that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204178#Comment_119204178

I was talking about sexuality, not what people identify as.

Trans (and the rest of the non-binary) people are free to identify as whatever they want, but are not immune from people disagreeing with their self identification based on biological fact.

Have at it.

Liberty_Bear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204251#Comment_119204251

Power dynamics in any given society effect those of whom are at the bottom of the ladder , homeless, unemployed and in this situation trans people. I listened back to two shows and there was some very interesting points made from all sides of the debate. To me your post is missing the point - power does not seek more power (to suggest so is to invariably say that we as a community are corrupt), its seeking an equality of opportunity. I can get on board with the notion that we really should not have to divulge our sexuality to people (if we like them). Till the language that is used stops dehumanising trans people then that cry for equality wont stop.